Far too many social workers as well and they are a drain on the tax system.
Perhaps you don't need meat, but I certainly do. Now take your mango smoothie and beat it, kid!
Where I grew up there were two food groups. Meat, and all the rest.
Ryerson student takes veganism discrimination dispute to Human Rights Tribunal of Ont
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Far too many social workers as well and they are a drain on the tax system.
Where I grew up there were two food groups. Meat, and all the rest.
I'm looking at it strictly the way the article puts it. It doesn't say she compares humanity to animals, only marginalized people are compared to animals. Thus she's lowering only a certain segment of the population. I suspect if she were making the comparison you're making, and presenting it as you just did, she would not have alienated everyone.
There are so many different inter-related issues about this item that it's hard to get an accurate depiction of the context.
I'm not sure how she's comparing marginalized people to animals, and exactly what segment and how they are marginalized. The only comparison between both, that I've ever seen/read relates to an ethical standpoint on the autonomy of the individual compared to animals.
I could go dig up my practical ethics book if everyone wants to get bored, but I think the gist is that you can actually show how an animal's life should be of higher value than that of a vegetative newborn (as an example) and therefore the latter can be axed while the former shouldn't be prevented a fruitful existence.
I'm not sure how she's comparing marginalized people to animals, and exactly what segment and how they are marginalized. The only comparison between both, that I've ever seen/read relates to an ethical standpoint on the autonomy of the individual compared to animals.
I could go dig up my practical ethics book if everyone wants to get bored, but I think the gist is that you can actually show how an animal's life should be of higher value than that of a vegetative newborn (as an example) and therefore the latter can be axed while the former shouldn't be prevented a fruitful existence.
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Baloney.
See Vitamin B-12, the deficiency of which causes problems with the nervous system.
Somehow that makes perfect sense.
Yes, I know you can get supplements or food enhanced with B-12, that is as long as you live in a urban area in a first world country, and have the money.
And see, I think if you view a baby, vegetative or not, as less deserving of existence than an animal, healthy or otherwise, you are showing that you truly don't give a **** about the humans that are all connected to that child. As purely intellectual endeavour, devoid of empathy and compassion, I'm sure you cuold spell it out for me easily. But it would make me respect you a whole lot less.
To steal a great line from Bear - I am a member of PETA - People that Eat Tasty Animals.Such as,
You're biased. It's not that you're lowering your view of humans, you're already starting out with a lower view than you should be. Because of your atheist worldview (bias), belief in evolution, a human is basically an animal. Purely biological. If you're going to stick with the purely biological view, that man is basically an animal and nothing more, then you logically will endorse the idea that morals are relative. That the allies were no better than Hitler, and that people who feed the poor are no better than murderers - and that's dangerous thinking!
Whereas the truth is that man is the only creature that IS a spirit, with a soul (mind, will, emotions) contained in a physical body. Animals are in no way morally equivalent to humans in any sense, human life is far more precious due to our spiritual nature and eternal fate - and I say that as an animal lover.
Also, notice the contradiction in the Ryerson student who claims discrimination. She claims she was treated in an INHUMAN manner, yet that would imply that humans are suppose to have a greater degree of treatment of each other - that we're better than animals!
You are also biased, you have a religious worldview. Everyone with an opinion on anything is biased.
As for moral relativism-I can understand it but I do not agree with it.
As for the spiritual stuff-I reject it all out of hand as there is no evidence to back any of it up aside from superstition.
That's what I was thinking.... but I'll go a little further and say that I think she must be off her rocker a little bit with her beliefs if she's also lost friends over her views.
Her views are her own..... they're her choice, one could even call it her way of life, but protecting her choice to the point where everyone should simply agree with her and not question it or to allow it to possibly affect others in the job she wishes to take in the future (otherwise it's descrimination) is a bit silly.
Then she goes on to use the race card, claiming that if she was white and born in the country, she would have been treated differently...... sorry, but she lost the argument when she did this, because I don't care if you're white, purple or green, born in Canada or not..... if anybody decided to study to be a "Social Worker" and then related minorities to being nothing more than animals, the end result would have been the same, as they clearly don't know wtf they're talking about.
And spouting complaints about it all being about discrimination in order to try and force your position to be right, doesn't work either.
If you want to live a vegan life and have certain beliefs towards the treatment of animals, fine, go fill your boots.... so long as it doesn't have an affect on your abilities to do your job properly or to pass the tests/exams you need to in order to get into that career.
So what's the point here?
To try and get protected as some minority in order to be able to continue being a nut job? What's next? Vegans starting up their own church and going door to door to finger wag at people not to eat animals or use animal products?
Then they get public funding for their crap.
Bah.....
The reality is that you can't easily grow/farm enough veggies for the human population (as well as the animal population) in certain areas of the world. You will have people in certain climates and environments where water and vegetation isn't easy to come by, but animals are. Many of these animals eat vegetation in these areas that humans can not process.... but they can process these animals.
So lets say we do stop eating all animals.... what do we do with all the cows, chickens, pigs, sheep, etc. that are currently in farms?
Shall we just let them loose and roam free?
I can already think of a handfull of problems that would come from doing that and the most likely outcome would be the greater majority of these farmed animals would be slaughtered & disposed of.
If we don't, then we still need to make sure these animals don't suffer from a lack of food for them when they're released.... and since they're going to probably live their entire lives beyond what they normally would.... and reproduce without control...... you won't just have humans all being dependant on vegetation to survive, but you'll have a huge animal population exploding that requires vegetation as well.
.... What about clothing?
People need clothing when it gets too cold and people need clothing to protect them from the sun, or rain, or whatever..... many of our clothing products are made from animals..... whether that's sheep wool, leather, fur, whatever..... so with the hardcore vegan mentality, we can't use any animal products...... so I guess that means everybody living in the arctic will simply die..... everybody living in areas that have snowy winters, like all of Canada, much of Europe, most of the US, Russia, Asia, etc..... will all end up dead from freezing to death when the first winter comes in.
Small price to pay for the well being of cows & pigs I suppose.
We already have a problem with many in the world starving and not getting enough food...... and most of these people live in areas where it is too dry or too cold to grow vegetables that can be eaten by humans, let alone year round..... which means they either starve & die....... they migrate & over populate areas where food can be grown..... or nations that can grow these foods, have to grow even more, then export them to these areas of the world who need it, which will be very costly that most wouldn't even be able to afford the food. These nations would also have to use up a lot of their land to grow all of this food as well.
Sure, in a rainbow hippy world, the rich & well off yuppies in developed nations might be able to live well off by eating nothing but veggies..... but in reality, it's impossible to expect the entire world population to be able to survive in such an environment, while having all of these other animals left to breed and eat everything in site without control.
Oh wait.... even most vegans end up having to pop pills to supliment many of the nutrients they're missing in their diet that are difficult to get by regular veggie eating.
Hell, let's go yet another step further......
If vegans want to treat animals equally as we treat humans..... then that should work both ways, in that many animals still hunt, kill and eat other animals for their survival..... so if animals are allowed to kill and eat other animals.... and we're animals too..... shouldn't we be able to eat other animals as well?
Oh no, we can eat other animals, I forgot.
Why can't we?
Because we're supposed to be smarter and more evolved than other animals, thus the rules we apply to ourselves can't be applied to animals......
...... so...... Anaimals and Humans are not Equal, are they?
If Animals and Humans are equal, then if we're not supposed to eat meat, then we should have to force all animals to not eat meat as well.
We should all be vegans..... human and animal alike.
^ All of this is why I don't take Vegans seriously, why their reasoning to me is completely stupid & short sighted........ and if they truly were Vegans and believed what they preach, they would go out and live in the woods away from many of the things they take for granted in our societies that they're unaware come from animals in one way or another.
They would live in the woods, naked, eating bean sprouts & grass..... and then die when the winter comes.
*clap clap* Bravo
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