Muslims face negative perception in Canada, study suggests

[CDNBear]

I can just feel the muslim haterade coursing through my veins now.

Where's ma pitchfork?

Haterade, is that marketed by PepsiCo too.

 

[DaSleeper]

I can just feel the muslim haterade coursing through my veins now.

Where's ma pitchfork?

Where's the animated cartoon???

 

[CDNBear]

Where's the animated cartoon???

My good deed for the day...

I can just feel the muslim haterade coursing through my veins now.

Where's ma pitchfork?

 

[Machjo]

Bull****.

The point is not that an individual killed four of his family in a planned assault for whatever reason...........shyte happens, and justice is done.

But here, there is a significant difference.......this was a conspiracy, the father wife and son together murdered their family in the name of Islam........

Tell me, if it were a neo-Nazi group that conspired and murdered four family members for failing to comply with the rules of their belief, would you be advocating for the continued immigration of neo-Nazis without restriction???

Then tell me the major differences between Naziism and Islam.

Christie Blatchford: Honour killing trial of Mohammad Shafia

The difference is that Islam does not condone their actions. It's like blaming Christ for the actions of the Crusaders, the Inquisition and the Conquistadors, or Canada's residential school system and the attempted genocide, or at least forced assimilation by brutal force, of Canada's First Nations. All of it was done in the name of Christ, but I would not blame Christ nor the Christian Faith for that, nor would I be silly enough to refer to the Crusaders and Conquistadors and Residential School administrators as Christo-faschists.

For similiar reasons there are negative perceptions of Catholics. Because both faiths have a real issue with legitimacy. In the case of the Catholic Church, abuse, pedophilia and conspiracy to protect child molesters in the last century and this one have marred their reputation considerably.

Again though, you can't blame Christ of the Christian Faith or the Bible for the sexual molestation of these children. We're talking about individuals here.

In reality, both religions are made up of descent people, but until the both faiths pro-actively separate themselves from the taint, they will be stained by those who have used their faith for selfish reasons.

Here on CC you will find many who defend Islam calling Catholics Pedophiles and such, but will cry foul or toss out ye old race card if you mention the disgusting behavior of someone who proclaims to be a Muslim.

Agreed.

Can't imagine why anyone would have a negative view of Islam.



Read the entire article....interesting. I have long been an admirer of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and have both her books: Infidel and Nomad

Kevin Libin: A question of loyalty | Full Comment | National Post

I've had personal experiences in the past of a someone very close to me receiving anonymous threats because she dared marry a non-Muslim. I myself have suffered from harrassment from "Muslims" for reasons I won't go into. So I'm well aware of how some Muslims can be. However, I've also read the Qur'an a number of times from cover to cover, and while it would be easy enough to take passages out of context, it's clear on the whole the Qur'an did not condone their actions.

We have to separate emotions from facts.

 

[Spade]

Muslims face negative perception in Canada, study suggests
If that be the case, the Christians should thank the Muslims for knocking them out of first place!

 

[Goober]

Muslims face negative perception in Canada, study suggests
If that be the case, the Christians should thank the Muslims for knocking them out of first place!

What many do not understand about Islam is it is not only a Religion but a sense of community - Many will not criticize elements because of repercussions by small numbers of extremists - They are threatened - We all know this.

The community itself has to act - A PEW study found that the majority of US Muslims did in fact support the War on Terror - That it was not an attack on Muslims - I think Obama with how he handled Libya was the only way the US could act.

Afghanistan - well divide it between the Pashtuns in the South - and the rest go North

 

[mentalfloss]

I have no problems calling out islamic extremism, just as I have no problem calling out other religious extremism (see Norway douchebag).

Its when there is an association between extremists and the moderates that causes unnecessary social distress between everyone.

 

[Tonington]

Party pooper. I was just getting my pitch fork ready too! I saw Colpy and a band of portly old fellows walk by just now, should I go tell them the news?

 

[Goober]

I have no problems calling out Islamic extremism, just as I have no problem calling out other religious extremism (see Norway douchebag).

Its when there is an association between extremists and the moderates that causes unnecessary social distress between everyone.

Look to the social & community fabric that is at the center of Islam - Many moderates within are silenced - By any number of means - This has been documented time and again. Silenced by a small minority of extremists. And yes I am referring to Canada.

 

[Tonington]

Look to the social & community fabric that is at the center of Islam - Many moderates within are silenced - By any number of means - This has been documented time and again. Silenced by a small minority of extremists. And yes I am referring to Canada.

Did you see anything like this on September 11, 2001:

CANADIAN MUSLIMS CONDEMN TERRORIST ATTACKS

Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:00 pm

(Ottawa, Canada – 9/11/2001) - The Canadian office of the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR CAN) and the Canadian Muslim Civil Liberties Association (CMCLA) today condemned the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington and offered condolences to the families of those who were killed or injured.

The statement by the two organizations read in part:

"Canadian Muslims utterly condemn what are apparently vicious and cowardly acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. We offer our heartfelt condolences to all those who lost loved ones and join with all people of conscience in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators. No political cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts."

“We further call on media professionals to exercise restraint and not draw premature conclusions as to who was responsible for the apparent attacks until those facts become clear.”
​

Press releases don't do any good, unless the press actually reports it...

 

[Goober]

Did you see anything like this on September 11, 2001:

CANADIAN MUSLIMS CONDEMN TERRORIST ATTACKS

Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:00 pm

(Ottawa, Canada – 9/11/2001) - The Canadian office of the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR CAN) and the Canadian Muslim Civil Liberties Association (CMCLA) today condemned the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington and offered condolences to the families of those who were killed or injured.

The statement by the two organizations read in part:

"Canadian Muslims utterly condemn what are apparently vicious and cowardly acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. We offer our heartfelt condolences to all those who lost loved ones and join with all people of conscience in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators. No political cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts."

“We further call on media professionals to exercise restraint and not draw premature conclusions as to who was responsible for the apparent attacks until those facts become clear.”
​

Press releases don't do any good, unless the press actually reports it...

Was CAIR not part of the CHRC complaint against McLean's Mag and Ezra Levant?

How many Muslims are friends with you?

I have quite a number as close friends -


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_complaints_against_Maclean's_magazine

http://ezralevant.com/2008/05/another-cabinet-minister-criti.html

This week another cabinet minister joins Kenney: Gary Lunn, the minister for natural resources. Here is a copy of Lunn's letter to a constituent on the subject. The most important lines are:

I share your concern with respect to the possible consequences for freedom of speech in Canada as a result of the CHRC's decision to hear complaints like the one launched by the Canadian Islamic Congress.

...given the importance of freedom of speech to democratic discourse, I believe that the CHRC should be cautious to not allow cases relating to freedom of speech to become a focal point for its work, when such matters lie outside of its established mandate.



1 press release - does not counter my point.

 

[Colpy]

The difference is that Islam does not condone their actions. It's like blaming Christ for the actions of the Crusaders, the Inquisition and the Conquistadors, or Canada's residential school system and the attempted genocide, or at least forced assimilation by brutal force, of Canada's First Nations. All of it was done in the name of Christ, but I would not blame Christ nor the Christian Faith for that, nor would I be silly enough to refer to the Crusaders and Conquistadors and Residential School administrators as Christo-faschists.



Again though, you can't blame Christ of the Christian Faith or the Bible for the sexual molestation of these children. We're talking about individuals here.



Agreed.



I've had personal experiences in the past of a someone very close to me receiving anonymous threats because she dared marry a non-Muslim. I myself have suffered from harrassment from "Muslims" for reasons I won't go into. So I'm well aware of how some Muslims can be. However, I've also read the Qur'an a number of times from cover to cover, and while it would be easy enough to take passages out of context, it's clear on the whole the Qur'an did not condone their actions.

We have to separate emotions from facts.

Islam Watch - "?Honor Killing? is Absolutely Islamic" by Syed Kamran Mirza

 

[Tonington]

Was CAIR not part of the CHRC complaint against McLean's Mag and Ezra Levant?

I don't know. What does that matter if they did? Would their condemnations of violence mean less? That's pretty crazy...

How many Muslims are friends with you?

I'm still in touch with my previous neighbours, Saudis.

I have quite a number as close friends -

Great for you.

1 press release - does not counter my point.

Did you see the press releases or not? There are many more. It's not one, there's all kinds.
CAIR-CAN Press Releases
CAIR-CAN Press Releases
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CAIR-CAN Press Releases
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CAIR-CAN Press Releases
CAIR-CAN Press Releases
CAIR-CAN Press Releases
CAIR-CAN Press Releases
CAIR-CAN Press Releases
CAIR-CAN Press Releases
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CAIR-CAN Press Releases
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Get the picture? That's just a small grab from one group...have you seen any of these reported in the news? I'll bet you've heard of at least some of the actual events which spawned these press releases.

 

[Goober]

I don't know. What does that matter if they did? Would their condemnations of violence mean less? That's pretty crazy...

Guess they need a lesson on Free Speech - It is not just a one way street.


Press releases - Does that make them fact? No is the reasonable answer - action do

Guess you should dig a little deeper. I did and it only takes a few keywords -

Canadian Islamic Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Support for Hezbollah and HamasDuring the 2006 conflict between Israel and Hezbollah, the Canadian Islamic Congress and the Canadian Arab Federation urged the Canadian government to take Hezbollah and Hamas off its list of designated terrorist organizations. CIC president Elmasry wrote that the Canadian Government should "review its 2002 decision to place Hezbollah and Hamas on its list of banned alleged terrorist organizations" because doing so "is an unconscionable act of hypocrisy and a mockery of justice" since Canada has not placed Israel on the same list. Elmasry also stated that the decision to place Hezbollah and Hamas on this list was "dictated by special interest groups with agendas that are contrary to peace with justice."[29]

Controversies involving the Former CIC President, Dr. Mohamed ElmasryMain article: Mohamed Elmasry
[edit] Michael Coren ShowOn October 19, 2004 CIC President Elmasry appeared in a panel discussion on The Michael Coren Show to discuss the topic of "What is a terrorist?". During an exchange with the show's host, he stated that anyone in Israel over the age of 18 was a justifiable target of Palestinian attacks.[32] He also criticized the recent bombing of hotels in Taba, Egypt on the grounds that some of the victims there were not Israelis.[33] At first, Elmasry defended his remarks by insisting that he was merely sharing the standard Palestinian point of view. This led to further charges from his critics, who accused him of using the Palestinians as a scapegoat. In a letter to the Toronto Star, he denied having said what he was reported to have said. These remarks prompted harshly-worded responses from representatives of the Canadian Jewish Congress and several prominent Canadian Muslims.[33] Elmasry later apologized for his remarks calling them his "biggest mistake" in 30 years of public life and offered his resignation which was not accepted by the CIC's board.[34]

 

[Colpy]

I don't know. What does that matter if they did? Would their condemnations of violence mean less? That's pretty crazy...



I'm still in touch with my previous neighbours, Saudis.



Great for you.



Did you see the press releases or not? There are many more. It's not one, there's all kinds.
CAIR-CAN Press Releases
CAIR-CAN Press Releases
CAIR-CAN Press Releases
CAIR-CAN Press Releases
CAIR-CAN Press Releases
CAIR-CAN Press Releases
CAIR-CAN Press Releases
CAIR-CAN Press Releases
CAIR-CAN Press Releases
CAIR-CAN Press Releases
CAIR-CAN Press Releases
CAIR-CAN Press Releases
CAIR-CAN Press Releases
CAIR-CAN Press Releases

Get the picture? That's just a small grab from one group...have you seen any of these reported in the news? I'll bet you've heard of at least some of the actual events which spawned these press releases.

If they oppose free speech, they need to pack their bags and fly the Fcuk out of my country.

Oh, a little more info on CAIR.....not quite the sweeties they would have us believe.

CAIR: 'Moderate' friends of terror :: Daniel Pipes

http://pointdebasculecanada.ca/archives/1141.html

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=232181

http://www.newsmax.com/Emerson/cair-hamas-Palestine-Committee/2010/03/15/id/352646

These are the moderates?????

No wonder Muslims "face negative perceptions".

 

[mentalfloss]

I really do feel sorry for most muslims as they have to continuosly suffer the prejudiced tripe that's being shoveled by the conservative media and government.

When our own PM unabashedly uses a term like 'islamicism', it sets a wonderful precedent for dolts to paint an entire group of people with the same brush - as if each and every single member (100%) think and act in the exact same, unscrupulous manner.

It's pretty sickening, how corrupt some people can be to push their agenda of religious cleansing, while any dissenting opinions to reveal statistical impossibilities are brushed aside and ignored.

 

[earth_as_one]

Muslims have been demonized so that easily manipulated people in the west would support killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people in the middle east or at least not ask too many questions about starting unprovoked wars. While every one here probably has a good idea how many innocent people died as a result of the 9/11 attacks, few know or care to know how many innocent Muslims died as a result of the Afghan and Iraq wars.

For the record:

The Taliban condemned the attacks and offered to hand over OBL, if the US offered proof of involvement

1. Did the United States Attack Afghanistan because the Taliban Refused to Turn Over Bin Laden?

The claim that the Taliban refused to turn over Bin Laden has been repeatedly made by political leaders and our mainstream media.10 Reports from the time, however, show the truth to be very different.

A. Who Refused Whom?

Ten days after the 9/11 attacks, CNN reported:

“The Taliban . . . refus[ed] to hand over bin Laden without proof or evidence that he was involved in last week's attacks on the United States. . . . The Taliban ambassador to Pakistan . . . said Friday that deporting him without proof would amount to an ‘insult to Islam.’"

CNN also made clear that the Taliban’s demand for proof was not made without reason, saying:

“Bin Laden himself has already denied he had anything to do with the attacks, and Taliban officials repeatedly said he could not have been involved in the attacks.”

Bush, however, “said the demands were not open to negotiation or discussion.”11

With this refusal to provide any evidence of bin Laden’s responsibility, the Bush administration made it impossible for the Taliban to turn him over. As Afghan experts quoted by the Washington Post pointed out, the Taliban, in order to turn over a fellow Muslim to an “infidel” Western nation, needed a “face-saving formula.” Milton Bearden, who had been the CIA station chief in Afghanistan in the 1980s, put it this way: While the United States was demanding, “Give up bin Laden,” the Taliban were saying, “Do something to help us give him up.”12 But the Bush administration refused.

Did 9/11 Justify the War in Afghanistan?

Taliban diplomat condemns attacks
September 12, 2001
Taliban ambassador to Pakistan has condemned the string of astonishing terrorist attacks on the United States.
CNN.com - Taliban diplomat condemns attacks - September 12, 2001

In October 2001 the U.S. sent a private message to Taliban leader Mullah Omar warning that "every pillar of the Taliban regime will be destroyed,"
New Documents Detail America's Strategic Response to 9/11

 

[CDNBear]

Muslims have been demonized so that easily manipulated people in the west would support killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people in the middle east or at least not ask too many questions. While every one here probably has a good idea how many innocent people died as a result of the 9/11 attacks, few know or care to know how many innocent Muslims died as a result of the Afghan and Iraq wars.

Jews have been demonized so that easily manipulated people in the west...

 

[earth_as_one]

I would be against our leaders and MSM demonizing Jews while they lie and deceive us into a war with Israel which would kill hundreds of thousands of innocent Jews. Is that happening?

 

[CDNBear]

I would be against our leaders and MSM demonizing Jews while they lie and deceive us into a war with Israel which would kill hundreds of thousands of innocent Jews.

Why would you be against it?

You do it here, ad nauseum.

Hence my pointing out your hypocrisy.