After 9-11: Can the West Defeat Radical Islam?

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I think Grump pretty much nailed it. Radicals will all but cave in on themselves when they have to start relying on the more sensible crowd to do their dirty work....
 
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I love 911 conspiracy theorists. They remind me of

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Commentary: South Tower, New World order, Tower 7, no it isn't, new world order, military industrial complex, Israel, Jewish Conspiracy, you suck, no you suck! You don't know, Bush Knew! Hedge money, Mom I told you never to come in the basement! I'm doing special work down here! X Files. Radio Chatter, devils face, Ron Paul says.. etc etc.

Roll tape again.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Thank god I am gone for the weekend.

Hopefully the 9-11 crap is gone by early next week.

Don't blame ya one bit. I am avoiding any TV channel that is doing something related to that day. Over kill on so many levels is not a dignified rememberence.

( too bad over a million Afghans and Iraqis & others had to be slaughtered as a result of it. Who will memorialize THEM???

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Saturation on the media is not showing respect for the victims. It is just sensationalizing the horror itself.
 

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First of all we can defeat radical Islam but the real hope is we won't have to fight such a battle.
I believe we are on a collision course though, and in the end the only real solution is to have
moderate Islam stand up, gaining a backbone and saying we have had enough of you people
destroying our concept of the faith. Will that happen? In the end yes, but only after the over
all conflict has begun.
In the nineteen twenties and early thirties the Mob in Chicago had its own way. They elected
their own councils and Mayors and did pretty much as they pleased. Even the local police
were on the take. All it took was on serious incident, the St Valentines Day Massacre, and the
whole thing changed. The reason? Ordinary people, had enough and stood up to demand
change and change they got. There was a lot of blood spilled before the end came but the end
did come.
The history lesson we should also pay some attention to is the Nostradamus Quatrains. He
told of a man rising with a blue turban, and the fight would continue off and on for a generation.
It is said the west would win but at a great price. Do I believe all this stuff? No. The fact is that
the Muslims especially the radical Muslims believe it, and if we understand it we have some
knowledge as to what they are thinking. You don't have to subscribe to someone Else's beliefs
but if you are going to combat their goals and objectives, you have to understand where their
belief system comes from. The fact is Islam is a threat to the concept of democracy and personal
freedom itself. The present religious doctrine is encapsulated in a narrow minded, dictatorship
that stifles individual thought and expression. Their very vision of life is contrary to ours so we
chose to allow them to come and live amongst us. We are in fact the architects of our own
misery and still we do not learn.
Just because the world is in turmoil does not mean we can solve all the problems of mankind and
at the same time, we do not have the right to create new ones, whether is be for ourselves or
others


Not sure one can compare Radical religious beliefs ( delusions) with the MOB. The two don't operate in the same way and have different objectives. Their actions are the result from different motives.

Duct on their mouths would be nice. Apparently Ocean Breeze and Ed Palmer have something in common.


as does everyone here. We are all human beings.
 

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Not sure one can compare Radical religious beliefs ( delusions) with the MOB. The two don't operate in the same way and have different objectives. Their actions are the result from different motives.




as does everyone here. We are all human beings.
They may be different on the outside, but you still have to get a foot in the door, infiltrate and observe (mouth shut, eyes and ears open)
 

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( too bad over a million Afghans and Iraqis & others had to be slaughtered as a result of it. Who will memorialize THEM???

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What about the 1 Million Libyans that were killed! Are their lives not so important?
 
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It's the High Holy Month of the Truthers!
Praise be to Jebus, the tecnocoloured holy tinfoil fish.

Duct on their mouths would be nice. Apparently Ocean Breeze and Ed Palmer have something in common.



We are all human beings.
Just some of us are more mature and less obsessive.
 

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Ocean Breeze;1475190]First of all: how is one to determine who belongs in the "radical Islam " category .
Simple. Membership in a terrorist organization. Affiliation with those that would spread Islam by the sword.

Second: what is happening is a radical condemnation , prejudice against a group of people that have a belief system that many in the west don't understand but have decided to make those believers pariahs on the planet.
Radical Islamists are adherents of a Death Cult that take as their example a long-dead pedophile war mongerer...........I think you have serious issues if you are NOT prejudiced against them,

Third: How different is this prejudice different from how the Nazi's felt about the Jews and went about destroying them??
The Jews didn't fly planes into buildings full of innocents. The Jews didn't attack or kill anyone. The Jews were not set on world domination. And no one wants to kill all Muslims, we want to stop the expansion of radical Islam into the west, and undermine their extremely violent nature.

The hatred of all things Islam is coloring people's judgement.
Bull shyte

Americans hate to be painted with the same brush , when one generalizes about its flaws, So is it fair to hate all Islam believers because a few have gone radical.
It is much much more than a few.

All that Islam hating has gone extreme. Can one paint all Xtians with the same brush........when a few fanatics go on a shooting spree or bomb abortion cliniics.??
You CAN'T paint modern Christians with the same brush..........I can count every single terror attack inspired by Christian scripture in the last 30 years on my fingers and toes, and the dead resulting on my fingers.

17,710 plus Muslim terror attacks since 9-11. FIVE A DAY.

Tens of thousands of dead.

No comparison.

The key question to be answered: Is violence and wars (and killing over a million PEOPLE ) the right response to the dramatic (for maximum effect) a terror act ....(crime) that killed about 4000.
Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9-11. Although I am happy the people of Iraq are free from Saddam.

The other question is: Are american lives more important than any other life on the planet?? IF americans believe they are......then the US is in serious pychological impairment.
They are our allies, our friends, our relatives, our neighbours. In other words, yes an attack on the USA is to be taken VERY seriously by Canada. We must fulfill our treaty obligations.....as we have.
 

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PS: Is the war activity launched after 9-11 an effort against TERRORISM ( which is a crime and has taken place in many parts of the planet

OR


Are the ongong wars AGAINST ISLAM???

IF one is going to war on Islam......one might as well war on Xtianity and other belief systems ......because all belief systems have elements of radicalism.

the immediate retaliation was to bring bin laden to justice, the taliban were asked to turn him over, it
was 'he' whom they were after, not islam, 'he'. Those who were harbouring him made the decision to have
the war come to them, not islam, the taliban, who are islamic, but that was not the point at that time,
it could have been anyone harbouring him, and it would have been they who brought the war to themselves, had
they not turned him over.

Taliban's own stupidity, they caused afghanistan to be bombed to shreds, their own arrogance and lack
of seeing the reality of the situation.

My god woman, the taliban could have been heros in the aftermath of 911, but they chose to become enemies.

Their choice, so be it.
 

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Taliban's own stupidity, they caused afghanistan to be bombed to shreds, their own arrogance and lack
of seeing the reality of the situation.

My god woman, the taliban could have been heros in the aftermath of 911, but they chose to become enemies.

Their choice, so be it.
The Taliban offered to extradite him as soon as the US showed (proved) that he was the one who was responsible.
 

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The Taliban offered to extradite him as soon as the US showed (proved) that he was the one who was responsible.


exactly !!! (interesting , how that little part is ignored. ) The problem was that no one really knew where he was but it made for a hot political football amongst the powers that be . The other problem was that OBL would have to have been in the Taliban custody for them to make such a promise. He wasn't . Both parties were playing a dangerous game.

If anyone is naive enought to think that bush would not invade Afghanistan regardless of what the Taliban did ......it is no wonder the world is in such trouble. He was loaded for war....and the population bought into ;it as all this was happening on the emotional wave and aftermath of "the event".

In bush's mind.......9-11 gave him license to war on anyone that had "terrorists", supported "terrorists - with or without proof ) and beyond. HE LIED to invade Iraq and would have lied to attack AFghanistan. (whether bin laden was there or not) His presidency was tanking fast........and 9-11 DEFINED him and his presdency.

they knew he was responsible, that is a joke.

HOW??? did they know he was responsible. ??? And it is not a joke.
 

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exactly !!! (interesting , how that little part is ignored. ) The problem was that no one really knew where he was but it made for a hot political football amongst the powers that be . The other problem was that OBL would have to have been in the Taliban custody for them to make such a promise. He wasn't . Both parties were playing a dangerous game.

If anyone is naive enought to think that bush would not invade Afghanistan regardless of what the Taliban did ......it is no wonder the world is in such trouble. He was loaded for war....and the population bought into ;it as all this was happening on the emotional wave and aftermath of "the event".

In bush's mind.......9-11 gave him license to war on anyone that had "terrorists", supported "terrorists - with or without proof ) and beyond. HE LIED to invade Iraq and would have lied to attack AFghanistan. (whether bin laden was there or not) His presidency was tanking fast........and 9-11 DEFINED him and his presdency.

Best check and see how tight the Taliban had control of OBL - And why was this well before 911 - because they did not trust him to stop these attacks as in Africa, Yemen etc.
 

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OBL would have been quite free to roam around Afghanistan at will. Only a few months prior he was meeting with the CIA while getting medical treatment for the side effects of his heroin addiction. (the Taliban were traffickers more or less, a reward for helping crash the USSR)

Two months before September 11 Osama bin Laden flew to Dubai for 10 days for treatment at the American hospital, where he was visited by the local CIA agent, according to the French newspaper Le Figaro. The disclosures are known to come from French intelligence which is keen to reveal the ambiguous role of the CIA, and to restrain Washington from extending the war to Iraq and elsewhere.
CIA agent alleged to have met Bin Laden in July | World news | The Guardian
 

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OBL would have been quite free to roam around Afghanistan at will. Only a few months prior he was meeting with the CIA while getting medical treatment for the side effects of his heroin addiction. (the Taliban were traffickers more or less, a reward for helping crash the USSR)

Two months before September 11 Osama bin Laden flew to Dubai for 10 days for treatment at the American hospital, where he was visited by the local CIA agent, according to the French newspaper Le Figaro. The disclosures are known to come from French intelligence which is keen to reveal the ambiguous role of the CIA, and to restrain Washington from extending the war to Iraq and elsewhere.
CIA agent alleged to have met Bin Laden in July | World news | The Guardian

And when he was in Afghanistan he was locked up nice and tight - all movement, comms were restricted. Why is that
 

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OBL would have been quite free to roam around Afghanistan at will. Only a few months prior he was meeting with the CIA while getting medical treatment for the side effects of his heroin addiction. (the Taliban were traffickers more or less, a reward for helping crash the USSR)

Two months before September 11 Osama bin Laden flew to Dubai for 10 days for treatment at the American hospital, where he was visited by the local CIA agent, according to the French newspaper Le Figaro. The disclosures are known to come from French intelligence which is keen to reveal the ambiguous role of the CIA, and to restrain Washington from extending the war to Iraq and elsewhere.
CIA agent alleged to have met Bin Laden in July | World news | The Guardian


Sorry for your loss...


 

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And when he was in Afghanistan he was locked up nice and tight - all movement, comms were restricted. Why is that
Who said he was locked up there? If anything he was a liaison between the dope peddling Taliban and the CIA.