Turkey to challenge Israel’s blockade of Gaza in international court

Gaza Blockade - Legality


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AbtFet

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Israel's laws prevent Palestinian refugees and IDPs from returning to their homes of origin. Palestinians must be able to prove that they were in the state of Israel on or after 14 July 1952, or the offspring of a Palestinian who meets this condition. Due to the fact that most Palestinian refugees were displaced outside the territory of the state of Israel on or after this date, they are unable to resume domicile in their homeland. Israel's longstanding occupation of the West Bank, eastern Jerusalem, and Gaza Strip and related military orders and administrative procedures prevents refugees from returning to these areas.
 

CDNBear

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Palestinian refugees are still refugees because they are unable to exercise their basic human right to return to their homes of origin.
No, they're still refugees, because the Arab nations they reside in, won't given them citizenship.

Israel's laws prevent Palestinian refugees and IDPs from returning to their homes of origin. Palestinians must be able to prove that they were in the state of Israel on or after 14 July 1952, or the offspring of a Palestinian who meets this condition. Due to the fact that most Palestinian refugees were displaced outside the territory of the state of Israel on or after this date, they are unable to resume domicile in their homeland. Israel's longstanding occupation of the West Bank, eastern Jerusalem, and Gaza Strip and related military orders and administrative procedures prevents refugees from returning to these areas.
There's that plagiarism again.
 

DaSleeper

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Palestinian refugees are still refugees because they are unable to exercise their basic human right to return to their homes of origin. Israel refuses to allow the refugees to return to villages, towns and cities inside Israel due to the ethnic, national and religious origin of the refugees. Israel defines itself as a Jewish state and not a state of all its citizens. This self-definition emphasizes the need for a permanent Jewish majority, Jewish control of key resources like land, and the link between Israel and the Jewish diaspora. Jewish citizens, residents and the Jewish diaspora are therefore granted special preferences to citizenship and land ownership.
Palestinian Refugees: Facts and Figures

What about those Canadian citizens of convenience that became Canadians and a couple of years ago had returned to the middle east only to have to be recued by Canada when trouble started to brew there...
Then they had the nerve to return there after things settled down....These people should have their citizenship revoked
 

AbtFet

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Of course you didn't, because the ignorance is yours.

How did the Zionists acquire land in Palestine? | Palestine Facts | Palestine Facts

Of course I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you're ignorant. More likely you're not ignorant at all, just lying.


This whole site is propagandized BS and it is apparent to almost everyone who visits this site. Additionally, the audacity it takes to name a website “Palestine FACTS” in such a context is atrocious. I am not of the Jewish faith, nor am I Palestinian/an Arab speaker. Yes you may be assured that I am no anti-semite (referring to its ORIGINAL root meaning, “semite” meaning Jew or Arab) I am merely just another unbiased observer that has taken the time to read through flawed rhetoric– a tool that, unfortunately, has been used to ruin lives for the past several decades. Though you probably will not publish this comment (why would you? it would be out of keeping with the new anti-boycott law mentality) I know it will be read. Therefore, as long as those that publish sites such as these are forced to reflect on how their actions may resemble those of a Motzi Sheim Ra, I am satisfied.



that comment sums up that worthless website. you can't separate propaganda from reality. i could immediately tell something was wrong.
 

DaSleeper

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This whole site is propagandized BS and it is apparent to almost everyone who visits this site. Additionally, the audacity it takes to name a website “Palestine FACTS” in such a context is atrocious. I am not of the Jewish faith, nor am I Palestinian/an Arab speaker. Yes you may be assured that I am no anti-semite (referring to its ORIGINAL root meaning, “semite” meaning Jew or Arab) I am merely just another unbiased observer that has taken the time to read through flawed rhetoric– a tool that, unfortunately, has been used to ruin lives for the past several decades. Though you probably will not publish this comment (why would you? it would be out of keeping with the new anti-boycott law mentality) I know it will be read. Therefore, as long as those that publish sites such as these are forced to reflect on how their actions may resemble those of a Motzi Sheim Ra, I am satisfied.



that comment sums up that worthless website. you can't separate propaganda from reality. i could immediately tell something was wrong.

What a way to debate....Everything you disagree with is propaganda and everything you agree with is Fact

O Kay....we got it:roll:
And you think people are going to take you seriously??? grow the f-uck up
 

Just the Facts

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Israel's laws prevent Palestinian refugees and IDPs from returning to their homes of origin. Palestinians must be able to prove that they were in the state of Israel on or after 14 July 1952, or the offspring of a Palestinian who meets this condition. Due to the fact that most Palestinian refugees were displaced outside the territory of the state of Israel on or after this date, they are unable to resume domicile in their homeland. Israel's longstanding occupation of the West Bank, eastern Jerusalem, and Gaza Strip and related military orders and administrative procedures prevents refugees from returning to these areas.

You probably really should cite this passage, since it's obviously not you talking. Wouldn't wanna be plagiarizing anything here on CC now would we?

There's that plagiarism again.

Whoops, you beat me to it.

This whole site is propagandized BS and it is apparent to almost everyone who visits this site. Additionally, the audacity it takes to name a website “Palestine FACTS” in such a context is atrocious. I am not of the Jewish faith, nor am I Palestinian/an Arab speaker. Yes you may be assured that I am no anti-semite (referring to its ORIGINAL root meaning, “semite” meaning Jew or Arab) I am merely just another unbiased observer that has taken the time to read through flawed rhetoric– a tool that, unfortunately, has been used to ruin lives for the past several decades. Though you probably will not publish this comment (why would you? it would be out of keeping with the new anti-boycott law mentality) I know it will be read. Therefore, as long as those that publish sites such as these are forced to reflect on how their actions may resemble those of a Motzi Sheim Ra, I am satisfied.


that comment sums up that worthless website. you can't separate propaganda from reality. i could immediately tell something was wrong.

Of course, we'll never ever have the privilege of being let in on even one single example of a falsified fact from the site. I always find that so disappointing, to be forever on the fringes of those "in-the-know". lol
 

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Palestinian refugees are still refugees because they are unable to exercise their basic human right to return to their homes of origin. Israel refuses to allow the refugees to return to villages, towns and cities inside Israel due to the ethnic, national and religious origin of the refugees. Israel defines itself as a Jewish state and not a state of all its citizens. This self-definition emphasizes the need for a permanent Jewish majority, Jewish control of key resources like land, and the link between Israel and the Jewish diaspora. Jewish citizens, residents and the Jewish diaspora are therefore granted special preferences to citizenship and land ownership.
Palestinian Refugees: Facts and Figures

And that would place Jews in the minority - Think about it.
 

AbtFet

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Of course, we'll never ever have the privilege of being let in on even one single example of a falsified fact from the site. I always find that so disappointing, to be forever on the fringes of those "in-the-know". lol

Do further research on other sources and you'll find them. Don't take the website's title literally. :lol:

CDNBear just learned what plagiarizing meant a couple days ago, anyways the source of the link was added in my previous post.
 

CDNBear

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Do further research on other sources and you'll find them. Don't take the website's title literally. :lol:
You mean like how you think the title of an article supports your position, until we show you how the article proves you wrong?

CDNBear just learned what plagiarizing meant a couple days ago...
Actually, I learned about it years ago. But we rarely see it out here. Until you came along.

... anyways the source of the link was added in my previous post.
Doesn't matter, plagiarism is plagiarism. You should stop doing that. It's unethical.
 

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Palestinian refugees are still refugees because they are unable to exercise their basic human right to return to their homes of origin. Israel refuses to allow the refugees to return to villages, towns and cities inside Israel due to the ethnic, national and religious origin of the refugees. Israel defines itself as a Jewish state and not a state of all its citizens. This self-definition emphasizes the need for a permanent Jewish majority, Jewish control of key resources like land, and the link between Israel and the Jewish diaspora. Jewish citizens, residents and the Jewish diaspora are therefore granted special preferences to citizenship and land ownership.
Palestinian Refugees: Facts and Figures

So, when do the 750,000 Jews booted out of Arab countries with nothing get compensated????

I'd say it balances out.
 

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Question - This could take years to get to court? Yes is my opinion -

Is Israel required to attend.

If the UN passes this report at the General Assembly level does that not give Turkey a way out, face saving, of the proverbial roasting pan?

not even 12 hours

Threads go all over - people jump in and out - Look at the one i posted in the Jokes - Petros bathes twice per year - The personal details. Oh well.
 

CDNBear

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Question - This could take years to get to court? Yes is my opinion -
Mine as well.

Is Israel required to attend.
I don't think they are.
If the UN passes this report at the General Assembly level does that not give Turkey a way out, face saving, of the proverbial roasting pan?
Yep. But Turkey has been accused by other Arab Nations, of courting the west to much.

They are trying to look more Islamic.
 

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Mine as well.

I don't think they are.
Yep. But Turkey has been accused by other Arab Nations, of courting the west to much.

They are trying to look more Islamic.

If it goes to the Court you can rest assured that every move, every dollar transferred, every but of info and all that the Turkish Govt did to support this will come out. And I am sure that all that has not seen the light of day.
Along with in-depth profiles of all that participated. It should be interesting.
 

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If it goes to the Court you can rest assured that every move, every dollar transferred, every but of info and all that the Turkish Govt did to support this will come out. And I am sure that all that has not seen the light of day.
Along with in-depth profiles of all that participated. It should be interesting.
One of the reasons, I thought Turkey's treatment of the Kurds was germain to this conversation, is, that will undoubtedly be addressed, if Israel decides to show up.

Especially because the blockade is legal, and Turkey will have to challenge it on ethical grounds.

We are talking about the ICJ and not the ICC after all.

The ICJ is similar to a Civil Court, than a Criminal Court.
 

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The UN committee looked at the IDF's use of lethal force and determined that it was unreasonable and excessive.

From their report:
http://www.un.org/News/dh/infocus/middle_east/Gaza_Flotilla_Panel_Report.pdf

I judge the use of lethal force in response to lethal force as justified. Since the IDF never gave the Mavi Marmara a warning that they would resort to force if they didn't stop and immediately escalated the level of violence to lethal levels before boarding, then I would say that the people on the Mavi Marmara could justify the use of lethal force in defense against the IDF's unreasonable and excessive use of lethal force. I suppose they could have went up on deck and put targets on their foreheads to assist the IDF's use of excessive and unreasonable use of lethal force.

I don't judge the use of lethal force execution style after someone has been subdued as reasonable. I judge it as murder.

The Committee is completely wrong in this aspect of their report, as any sane person can easily tell by a casual look at the evidence.

Landing on the deck with non-lethal weapons in their hands (paint ball guns) hardly qualifies as "lethal force" The initial lethal attack was made by the Islamist Morons on board.

When your life is endangered, no warning is necessary. Those are the rules in Canada, and Canada is known for being strict on the use of force.

There is NO evidence that the Israelis killed anyone after they had been subdued.
 

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When your life is endangered, no warning is necessary. Those are the rules in Canada, and Canada is known for being strict on the use of force.


ROFLMFAO....riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
 

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One of the reasons, I thought Turkey's treatment of the Kurds was germain to this conversation, is, that will undoubtedly be addressed, if Israel decides to show up.

Especially because the blockade is legal, and Turkey will have to challenge it on ethical grounds.

We are talking about the ICJ and not the ICC after all.

The ICJ is similar to a Civil Court, than a Criminal Court.

And both will use Security of the State to be free from attack. Does not Turkey have controls on what goods are transported into the Kurdish areas? I would say yes. Do they inspect these loads/cargo . Yes -
Do they have a list? Now that is part of the key.