Could the moon provide clean energy for Earth?

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This is a good reason for letting the ISS (irrelevant space station) fall into the ocean ASAP. Can anyone remember a useful experiment on the ISS? The money saved could be used for a moon base and mining Helium 3, which is used in nuclear energy.


Could the moon provide clean energy for Earth? - CNN.com


Could the moon provide clean energy for Earth?

By Steve Almasy, CNN
July 21, 2011 -- Updated 1648 GMT (0048 HKT)




Filed under: Innovation

Harrison Schmitt, who was one of the last men to explore the moon, thinks we should go back to mine it for helium-3.


STORY HIGHLIGHTS
  • Helium-3 is in scarce supply on Earth, much more abundant on the moon
  • Used as a fuel for nuclear fusion, there would be almost no radioactive waste
  • University of Wisconsin team has built a small reactor to show 3He might work as fuel
  • Former Apollo astronaut thinks U.S. needs new space policy, agency and moon return is vital
(CNN) -- Gerald Kulcinski has a big problem.

The nuclear engineering professor at the University of Wisconsin needs a rare element to fuel his research into a fusion reactor.
But the cost of the isotope -- helium-3 -- is rising faster than a rocket headed to space. A few years ago it was $1,000 a gram, this year it is $7,000 and next year, well, he assumes it will be tens of thousands of dollars.

There are only about 30 kilograms of 3He on Earth, Kulcinski said. Most helium-3 comes as a byproduct of tritium, used in nuclear weapons, so the exact figure is secret.

Governments covet helium-3 because it works well in sensors that detect the presence of nuclear material, such as the ones that scan incoming cargo at the nation's borders and ports.

"Worldwide demand is very high, the supply is fixed and going down, and those of us who are trying using helium-3 for research purposes are paying very high prices," said Kulcinski, who is the director of the Fusion Technology Institute. "It'll basically shut off university activity pretty soon because we won't be able to afford it."

The Kulcinski team's approach toward creating fusion is unique. Ninety-nine percent of research is geared toward using deuterium and tritium together. But using helium-3 instead of tritium would be much safer and drastically cut the chance of nuclear weapons proliferation. If 3He-3He fusion works, there would be no radioactive waste.

A breakthrough would be huge, but the team needs more years and more helium-3.

The thing is that there are tons of helium-3 -- on the moon. About 1 million tons, Kulcinski said, adding that we also have a pretty good
idea as to where the 3He is on the moon.

We would know precisely how many trillions of dollars of the stuff is there if someone goes back to the moon and establishes a base there.

"A few years ago we thought we were going back soon but that's all changed now," he said.
NASA at a crossroads

Apollo 17 astronaut and geologist Harrison Schmitt said the United States is behind in the race to return to the surface of the moon. Schmitt, who is the author of "Return to the Moon," has come to the conclusion that NASA's best days are a part of history and it would be best to start over.

The space agency is dysfunctional in many ways as a management entity and the past two presidents have lacked a good space policy or the implementation of one, he said. NASA could watch over our obligations to the International Space Station, he said, but missions to the moon and Mars should be handled by another group.

"It's probably time to create a new agency ... that would focus almost entirely on deep space," he said. "The agency has just gotten old and most of the experience is retiring."

Next space age has a business model, astronauts say
He foresees private companies leading the way to the moon. He thinks the fusion research, rocket building and moon base project can be done for $15-20 billion over two decades. By comparison, another big nuclear fusion project (on Earth), the International

Thermonuclear Reactor Project, has a €12.8 billion ($18 billion) budget.
The big question for investors would be: Is it worth it when you compare it to the costs of producing other fuels like electricity from coal? Schmitt said yes, because the helium-3 on the moon is worth about $150 million per 100 kilograms.

Still, capital operating costs, which would be in the billions, will have to come down, he said. The concentration of helium-3 is low, so many tons of regolith -- a combination of lunar soil, dust and other material -- would have to be mined to collect 3He.
It's difficult to get investors to put money into any helium-3 project, Schmitt said.

"The folks at the University of Wisconsin have gone a long way in the early definition, or let's say, demonstration, of the physics of helium-3 fusion," he said, "but we are a long way and have to go through a (long) process" before they approach the break-even point where investors' interest will be piqued.

The real challenge is proving you can burn 3He
At their lab in Madison, Wisconsin, Kulcinski and his small team of scientific staff and graduate students have developed a tabletop 3He-powered reactor that can produce a small amount of electricity. They are making progress in producing more energy than when they started more than 25 years ago, but there's still much work to be done.

Gerald Kulcinski, a professor at the University of Wisconsin, holds the grid for his team's fusion device.



The catch? More energy is used than is produced.

As critics often note, the promise of nuclear fusion always seems to be 50 years away.
Kulcinski doesn't have an end date, a breakthrough date, in sight.

"I have no doubt that we'll be able to do it," he said. "With talented scientists and engineers around the world, if we really concentrated, we could do this.

"Our group, I have all the faith in the world in them, but we're a small group, and we could be at this for a very long time."
Not the only reason to go to the moon

Schmitt and Kulcinski wholeheartedly agree on one thing -- 3He is not the only reason to return to the moon.
As Schmitt said, "We've only touched the surface of exploring it."
There is 10 times more energy [on the moon] there than there ever was in fossil fuel on the Earth.

--Gerald Kulcinski, nuclear engineering professor






The main reason to go back is to learn how to live in space and use the moon as a jumping off place for missions to Mars, Kulcinski said.

There are other reasons, they said, including other elements available on the moon and using the lunar surface for telescopes.
But Schmitt, who has consulted for Kulcinski's project since 1985, and the professor think helium-3 has such potential it makes going back a vital mission.

After all, it could potentially power the Earth for thousands of years.
"You would go to the moon for long-term clean energy," Kulcinski said, "because this is really an enormous source of energy. There is 10 times more energy there than there ever was in fossil fuel on the Earth."
 

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we have clean, free energy here, why they hell go to the moon for it.....so "they can charge us more for it?" there's free energy all around us, Nikola Tesla proved that, but it was a guy named jp morgan that was a big silent backer of Nikola Tesla that ensured we pay for energy............Tesla was about to flick a switch sending free wireless energy around the world. When westinghouse found out about this he pulled his funding, Tesla ended up a lonely, penniless man in a hotel room paid for by a guy named westinghouse..............research Nikola Tesla yourselves here's a good starting point

‪They tried to make the world forget his name - Nikola Tesla the greatest Inventor of all time‬‏ - YouTube
 
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This is a good reason for letting the ISS (irrelevant space station) fall into the ocean ASAP. Can anyone remember a useful experiment on the ISS?

How about all of the experiments on the effects of life in low gravity on the human body?
 

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Let's say we get a really efficient reactor operating on the ISS, or on the moon? How do we get the power to the Earth?...............A really long extention cord? Has there been any successful work on this problem?
 

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How about all of the experiments on the effects of life in low gravity on the human body?

We know the body gets weaker due to low gravity. Done. The ISS was supposed to get us to the Moon, instead it became an orphan. The ISS did a few things, but they weren't exciting or a launch pad to anywhere else. The ISS Is expected to crash into the ocean in a few years. Dismal. Shoot me now!

On the other hand, putting anything on the Moon, like a Moon base say, will last forever. Think of the footprints. The Moon will be the biggest construction project in history. I don't understand why unions, corporations, and other organizations don't support a Moon base. It's endless work for them. Plus the Moon has water, for living, drinking, and fuel.

Let's say we get a really efficient reactor operating on the ISS, or on the moon? How do we get the power to the Earth?...............A really long extention cord? Has there been any successful work on this problem?

Right now, it's not profitable. But you have to continue the work so you get improvements in technology and the introduction of mass productions to drive down space costs. But you don't get better at something by doing nothing. More countries today compared to 20 years ago launch rockets, like India and China. Helium 3 is one of many useful resources in space, and countries these days need resources, which is why the price of commodities is going up. Someone is going to do it because they see a need.

Canada could launch rockets and build a Moon base. Many countries and corporations can.
 

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Maybe try doing a little research before you dismiss it as irrelevant.

NASA - Benefits of ISS Research

I have asked people, "What does the ISS do?" Blank. No knowledge at all. I see a problem here.

Sure the ISS has done some use ful experiments, but there is no potential here, no excitement. Space faring is not mundane like riding a bus, moving humans off Earth is a major event in our species. And if it's not presented as exciting, loaded with possibilities, it's not going to happen. I want it to happen.

I just checked that web page, pardon me while I yawn. Air purification. I'm nodding off, zzzz
 

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We know the body gets weaker due to low gravity. Done.

That's not saying much of anything at all. How do you mitigate the perils of low gravity if you don't research the causes, the mechanisms? There is a long list of research that has been performed on teasing out what is happening, and if you want a moon base you better know how to prevent the damage caused by long-term exposure.

I just checked that web page, pardon me while I yawn. Air purification. I'm nodding off, zzzz

Ahh, so if it isn't exciting and flashy it's not worth doing? Do you even know what most science looks like? It`s a long process of incremental knowledge.
 

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That's not saying much of anything at all. How do you mitigate the perils of low gravity if you don't research the causes, the mechanisms? There is a long list of research that has been performed on teasing out what is happening, and if you want a moon base you better know how to prevent the damage caused by long-term exposure. .


Well, we won't learn much about the long term effects of living in low gravity on the Moon until people start living on the Moon and feeling the gravity over the long term. The study, design and planning stages are not actually living on the Moon. Living on the Moon is the actual experiment that has to be done. Since we have adequate information now from the ISS that people can live in low gravity for a few months at a time, it's time to build a Moon base.

But we didn't learn this from the ISS, Skylab and MIR had people live on them for long periods of time. The ISS is a three dressed up as a nine.
 

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I have asked people, "What does the ISS do?" Blank. No knowledge at all. I see a problem here.

I agree with part of the point. As a species we're way behind where we should be in space exploration. Low orbit was a bad idea. They should've put the ISS at least 1000 miles up rather than 350 or so. Then it'd be impressive. MIR did the low orbit thing already.

As for people not being excited, thats nothing new. By Apollo 12-5 months after Apollo 11 people were ignoring it. How many peasants were excited while Colombus or the other great explorers crossed the ocean?
 

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Why bother with mining some rare element on the Moon? Placing massive solar collectors in orbit would be cheaper and more efficient. The energy could just be beamed to Earth using microwaves. We could start doing that now without setting foot on the Moon.
 

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I agree with part of the point. As a species we're way behind where we should be in space exploration. Low orbit was a bad idea. They should've put the ISS at least 1000 miles up rather than 350 or so. Then it'd be impressive. MIR did the low orbit thing already.

As for people not being excited, thats nothing new. By Apollo 12-5 months after Apollo 11 people were ignoring it. How many peasants were excited while Colombus or the other great explorers crossed the ocean?

Right, Apollo succeeded, and people started to look for the next big thing. Didn't happen. The USA won the space race hands down with no competition in sight. Good news. A huge victory for the west.

It's the excitment of the masses, like me, because I'll likely not go to space. But you never know. Things can change. You never say never. But there has to be a viable financial plan for space, there was for Columbus. Where he went there were resources and potential. That is part of the excitment, people have to start seeing opportunity. Business can do it, the tech to go there is 40 years old, this is not dangerous exploration any more. The major obstacle is profit.