The Flotilla....IDF Actions Validated!

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Sorry Cliffy.....but comparing Gaza, where the life expectancy at birth is 73 years, to the Warsaw Ghetto, where the survivors of starvation and shooting were gassed...........where the life expectancy at birth in 1940 was basically measured in weeks.......is evidence of Jew hatred.
So what is the difference between a Joo hater and a Muslim hater?
 

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So what is the difference between a Joo hater and a Muslim hater?

Who hates Muslims??

The difference is I have yet to meet on these threads a true Muslim hater..........as opposed to those who despise Islam as a religious and political philosophy.

Jew haters abound.
 

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Who hates Muslims??

The difference is I have yet to meet on these threads a true Muslim hater..........as opposed to those who despise Islam as a religious and political philosophy.

Jew haters abound.
From an outsiders point of view, there is no difference. People don't hate people. They hate their actions, religion or politics. I haven't seen any real Jew haters either but a few who are not pleased with some of the actions of the Israeli government and military and of course those who really don't like Zionism, either the Christian or the Jewish participants. What I see is one group who yell Joo Hater at anybody who criticizes anything to do with Israel. That to me is the worst discrimination that goes on on this forum.
 

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‪Jewish girl tries to criticise Dr. Norman Finkelstein‬‏ - YouTube

By the way , any idiot saying obesity is a prominent issue in the Palestinian territories is begging to be ignored.

Have you ever actually LISTENED to this guy????

He always wrong.

Google him on the flotilla raid last year, where he claims it was illegal, and murderous, with great revelations on Israeli misdeeds to come out from film smuggled off the ship.

Unfortunately for him, all the revelations were supportive of the Israeli versions....

Once again, not only is he always wrong, I suspect he is psychotic........watch him fer God's sake!

He "doesn't respect" the victims of a genocide that killed one third of the Jews on earth?? Then he compares Israelis to Nazis???? That outrages me, gives me a hard ball of anger in my belly, and I'm not even Jewish. The man is absolute scum, I wouldn't be in the same room as him.


A self-hating Jew.

Scum.
 

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Have you ever actually LISTENED to this guy????

He always wrong.

Google him on the flotilla raid last year, where he claims it was illegal, and murderous, with great revelations on Israeli misdeeds to come out from film smuggled off the ship.

Unfortunately for him, all the revelations were supportive of the Israeli versions....

Once again, not only is he always wrong, I suspect he is psychotic........watch him fer God's sake!

He "doesn't respect" the victims of a genocide that killed one third of the Jews on earth?? Then he compares Israelis to Nazis???? That outrages me, gives me a hard ball of anger in my belly, and I'm not even Jewish. The man is absolute scum, I wouldn't be in the same room as him.


A self-hating Jew.

Scum.


What do you mean he doesn't respect victims of genocide? His family are victims of genocide. He's just bright enough to not let those past events cloud his judgement about what the Israeli Jews are doing to the Palestinians today.
Finkelstein is not always wrong, he's usually right. This is a man who studies the situation extremely closely, the guy could have a PH.D in the Israeli/Palestine conflict :lol:. He's lived with a Palestinian family, in the occupied territories, so he knows what goes on. To put off what he says as nonsense is showing extreme bias and incorrigible love for the lunatic state of Israel.
 

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What do you mean he doesn't respect victims of genocide? His family are victims of genocide. He's just bright enough to not let those past events cloud his judgement about what the Israeli Jews are doing to the Palestinians today.
Finkelstein is not always wrong, he's usually right. This is a man who studies the situation extremely closely, the guy could have a PH.D in the Israeli/Palestine conflict :lol:. He's lived with a Palestinian family, in the occupied territories, so he knows what goes on. To put off what he says as nonsense is showing extreme bias and incorrigible love for the lunatic state of Israel.

And you are not biased with your statement of "the lunatic State of Israel". Now that is really even handed. Yup.
 

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And then again, those occupying the extreme prejudice of their respective wings should more closer to the center to get a clearer view.
 

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Being in the center is an illusion of yours...even if you realy are.....which I doubt...... the left will consider you a right winger and the right a lefty.....
 

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Being in the center is an illusion of yours...even if you realy are.....which I doubt...... the left will consider you a right winger and the right a lefty.....
It is all a matter of perspective. The only reason I say I'm looking from the center is that I really don't give a shyte about any of it. I have no invested interest in any ideology involving global politics or the Middle East for that matter. I just observe human behaviour with a sense of amusement, like watching a circus or the antics of a loonie bin.
 
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It is all a matter of perspective. The only reason I say I'm looking from the center is that I really don't give a shyte about any of it. I have no invested interest in any ideology involving global politics of the Middle East for that matter. I just observe human behaviour with a sense of amusement, like watching a circus or the antics of a loonie bin.

So being non concerned what would your opinion be of a group who has their sole existence based upon murdering 6 million or so people?
 

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So being non concerned what would your opinion be of a group who has their sole existence based upon murdering 6 million or so people?
I am unaware of a group such as that. There may be individuals or small groups but such groups have existed since man showed up for the show. As long as there is an us and them attitude, murder and mayhem will prevail.
 

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I am unaware of a group such as that. There may be individuals or small groups but such groups have existed since man showed up for the show. As long as there is an us and them attitude, murder and mayhem will prevail.

Might I suggest for your reading pleasure Hamas and Hezbollah doctrine.
 

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Might I suggest for your reading pleasure Hamas and Hezbollah doctrine.
Why would I do that? It might prejudice my thinking. I hear the Israeli government has documents that are just as damning. I wouldn't read those either. I concern myself with the spiritual ramifications of all conflict and what I see leaves little hope for humanity unless this shyte stops in the near future. If people practiced what they preached we wouldn't be in this mess.
 

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I was responding to claims that Palestinians are Nazis and Fascists. Nazis were mostly Europeans. I doubt many of them were Arab, Muslim or Palestinian. Hamas is a religious/political/social movement that has little resemblance to Fascism. Facism is what happens when the growth of private commercial/military/industrial power grows to a point where it becomes stronger than the democratic state. That more describes the US than economically depressed Hamas ruled Gaza.

The Grand Mufti was Arab/Muslim, so was his Nazi/Muslim Army.

Fascism...

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–noun 1. ( sometimes initial capital letter
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Looks more like Hamas than the US to anyone, without an agenda.

I agree that this element exists in Hamas and to some degree across the entire Palestinian population. No I don't feel all Palestinians share this hate ideology. I feel the majority of Palestinians only want freedom, justice and peace.
You may be right, so why do you defend extreme Islam? I can go get a post of yours where you make excuses for the Oslo massacre, when you thought it was committed by an Islamic nutjob.

I am against race/religious based entitlement by anyone against anyone. Its racism and discrimination and IMO, the root cause of this conflict.
So is being an illogical apologist.

I also feel that the majority of Israelis want to live in peace and find their government's ethnic cleansing, viscious war crimes and crimes against humanity abhorrent. So the problem IMO, isn't the people in this region, but some of their religious and political leaders.
That's funny, considering you blame "Israel" constantly.

Like I said, I am against race/religious based entitlement by anyone against anyone.
Except by the Palestinians.

Anyone else care to weigh in? Supporters of both Hamas and Likud would have you believe only two choices exist. I can think of at least a third.

1) For/Against Hamas's racist discriminatory policies
2) For/Against Likud's racist discriminatory policies
3) For/Against civilians on both sides who want to live in Peace

I'm Against both choice 1 and 2. I am For choice 3
Against, against, for. But unlike you, I'm not lying.

What, pray tell, is the difference between a Joo Hater and a Muslim Hater? I think - nothing.
I think they're the same thing too. But than again, we don't have any real Muslim haters here. You have people who are apposed to extreme Islam. While on the other hand, you have people who make excuses for illegal, murderous acts by Islamic nutjobs, while EVERYONE else condemns any act of murder.

By the way , any idiot saying obesity is a prominent issue in the Palestinian territories is begging to be ignored.
Ignore me then. Since the facts support Colpy and I...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12532166
The Metabolic Syndrome in the West Bank Population
http://www.israelwhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/14-Obesity.jpg

What do you mean he doesn't respect victims of genocide? His family are victims of genocide.
My family are victims of Canadian residential schools. I have a great deal of disrespect for many survivors, who use it as a crutch.

The difference being, I'm actually objective and don't try and hide my contempt so much.

Being in the center is an illusion of yours...even if you realy are.....which I doubt...... the left will consider you a right winger and the right a lefty.....
Is that why I've been called a neocon in one breath, and a commie in the next?

Or could it possibly be, I'm just objective and don't actually adhere to any set ideology?
 

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And you are not biased with your statement of "the lunatic State of Israel". Now that is really even handed. Yup.

It's fact. The right-wing extremist government are a bunch of lunatics . They'd love nothing more then to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians in the area and make it solely a Jewish land.
They love using the 'Hamas firing rockets into Israel excuse' to go into and massacre a bunch of Palestinians. Regardless if a rocket fails to kill a single Israeli, Israel will go in and bomb the **** out of Gaza indiscriminately .. Of course mainly civilians die as a result.



No it doesn't. Your little three disreputable links don't dispute any of the numerous links I posted. I never seen someone so disinterested in facts and more about trolling in arguments for your dumb right-wing agenda.
By the one I wasted time checking out one of your links and it has nothing to do with the Gazans but the west bank, :lol: