Parliamentary page sacrifices her job for anti-Harper protest

[Colpy]

Which is?


And yes, among other things, I am Irish.

Ah, I knew it! lol

I'm never going to convince you of this, but to me at least, the idea that we can make the Monarch mouth words we put in her mouth (or her representative's mouth) is a demonstration of our victory over the gentry, an expression of our power over those that once had power over us..........a tie to our past, that leaves only the best aspects of Monarchy in place: the inspiration of an ancient tradition, the focal point of national identity, and not least of all, the last-resort check on the excesses of any gov't by way of her influence (not her power) among the people........

A four-year President seems a poor substitute.

English, German, and Scots-Irish here, a descendent of the fine highlanders Elizabeth I sent over to keep the Wild Irish in line........

 

[Nuggler]

I hope she enjoys being unemployed, as the Nazis in power now will do all they can to see she never gets another job. The Jimmy Swaggart wannabe who is now our tin pot dictator will haunt this poor gal.

Kudos to her for standing up.

 

[JLM]

I hope she enjoys being unemployed, as the Nazis in power now will do all they can to see she never gets another job. The Jimmy Swaggart wannabe who is now our tin pot dictator will haunt this poor gal.

Kudos to her for standing up.

What did she stand up for? Disloyalty and stupidity? :lol:

 

[Unforgiven]

What did she stand up for? Disloyalty and stupidity? :lol:

Nope. What she believes in, rather than what you feel she should believe in. There is a difference but I don't expect you are able to grasp it.

 

[JLM]

Nope. What she believes in, rather than what you feel she should believe in. There is a difference but I don't expect you are able to grasp it.

Nope, I can't grasp belittling the boss in a public place while being paid. If she wants to give the boss an unfavourable message she should do it after work in private. Think how you'd feel when being belittled by an employee in front of all your employees. It's just a chicken sh*t approach no matter how you slice it.

 

[Unforgiven]

Nope, I can't grasp belittling the boss in a public place while being paid. If she wants to give the boss an unfavourable message she should do it after work in private. Think how you'd feel when being belittled by an employee in front of all your employees. It's just a chicken sh*t approach no matter how you slice it.

Harper isn't the "Boss" of the pages or anything else. He's a servant and his role is to serve the country. Maybe if you understood that, you would be able to drop the white cane and stop following along and doing what you are told.

 

[cranky]

This lack of respect for the Canadian Institute and willingness to protest instead of organize is sooooooooo.....american. Depape must be taking orders from the USA.

 

[mentalfloss]

This lack of respect for the Canadian Institute and willingness to protest instead of organize is sooooooooo.....american. Depape must be taking orders from the USA.

Is it surprising we're turning into America 2.0?


Page seen as courageous dissenter in flawed system

When Senate page Brigette DePape took the unprecedented step of holding up a "Stop Harper" sign during the reading of the "throne speech" she played the role of the child in the story of the Emperor's New Clothes who observes the king is in fact naked.

This university grad and experienced Parliamentary page pointed out there is no real possibility to stop the Harper agenda within the Parliamentary system.We are facing a four-year-long dictatorship.

Farmers will be among the first victims with the destruction of the Canadian Wheat Board at the top of the corporate agenda.

We need more creative and courageous people like DePape to lead nonviolent opposition to the imposition of American Republican values on Canada by the Harper Conservatives.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Page+seen+courageous+dissenter+flawed+system/4931277/story.html

 

[cranky]

Is it surprising we're turning into America 2.0?


Page seen as courageous dissenter in flawed system

When Senate page Brigette DePape took the unprecedented step of holding up a "Stop Harper" sign during the reading of the "throne speech" she played the role of the child in the story of the Emperor's New Clothes who observes the king is in fact naked.

This university grad and experienced Parliamentary page pointed out there is no real possibility to stop the Harper agenda within the Parliamentary system.We are facing a four-year-long dictatorship.

Farmers will be among the first victims with the destruction of the Canadian Wheat Board at the top of the corporate agenda.

We need more creative and courageous people like DePape to lead nonviolent opposition to the imposition of American Republican values on Canada by the Harper Conservatives.

Page seen as courageous dissenter in flawed system

wow. that couldn't be more misinformed. the farmers are the corporate agenda, and they are the ones that are fighting for the ability to sell their wheat to alternate markets.

 

[mentalfloss]

wow. that couldn't be more misinformed. the farmers are the corporate agenda, and they are the ones that are fighting for the ability to sell their wheat to alternate markets.

I'm not an expert on this myself, but here's a recent article about it..

Lots of losers, few winners in CWB fight

Even Agriculture Minister Gerry Ritz concedes that most Prairie wheat and barley producers support the Canadian Wheat Board. "The wheat board claims they have the support of 60 per cent of the farmers. That's a great base to start from,'' Ritz told the Regina & District Chamber of Commerce Tuesday, referring to the voluntary wheat board the Tories intend to create as of Aug. 1, 2012.

According to a 2007 study by PricewaterhouseCoopers, the CWB generates an estimated economic impact of $1.6 billion a year. As the world's largest exporter of wheat and barley, the CWB markets more than 20 million tonnes of grains and has sales in excess of $5 billion annually, giving it real market clout.

The Winnipeg-based agency markets Canadian grain to more than 70 countries and returns its sales revenues, less marketing costs, to 50,000 Prairie farmers. The single desk system enables the CWB to guarantee not only the quantity and quality of grain delivered to its customers, but also an initial payment to producers.

It can do this through a government guarantee, which is not a subsidy, but a line of credit that allows the CWB to provide a minimum floor price for farmers, not unlike support programs offered by other governments to their producers.

As to the subsidy charge, the U.S. government has investigated the board eight times in the past 10 years and the CWB has been found to be trading fairly and within international trading rules.

In fact, numerous studies by agricultural economists have shown the CWB earns a premium price for producers through its market clout, timing sales to catch market peaks, ensuring both the quality and quantity of grain delivered and getting volume discounts on shipping and handling.

So, what happens on Aug. 1, 2012? Well, no one can say for sure, but the Australian Wheat Board, which lost its monopoly in 2008, provides a pretty good example. Despite having been in operation for more than 20 years, within a year of the removal of the single desk, the AWB's share of the export market dropped to 23 per cent. Since then, the AWB was taken over in a $1.1-billion bid by Agrium, which sold the commodity marketing arm of AWB to Cargill for $175 million.

Lots of losers, few winners in CWB fight
​

 

[mentalfloss]

They came, they won, they gloated: Tories gather in Ottawa for party convention

OTTAWA—Conservative Party members have descended on Ottawa for a three-day conference that began Thursday night with rounds of speeches poking fun at the opposition, the media and even the Senate page who interrupted the throne speech by striding onto the floor holding a sign demanding Prime Minister Stephen Harper be stopped.

Minutes into former minister Stockwell Day’s address to the roughly 2,000 people gathered at the Ottawa Convention Centre, his wife Valerie strode onto the stage holding a red stop sign with the words “We Love Harper.”

The bit of political theatre showcased the party’s arrogantly victorious mood as it headed into a policy weekend just weeks after winning its coveted majority government, taking 166 of the 308 seats in the House of Commons.

The campaign catchphrase “strong stable Conservative majority government” made its way into every single speech, as did jibes at the new Opposition New Democrats. Master of ceremonies Stephen Blaney, who is the veterans’ affairs minister, joked that he was one of the only Quebec MPs who didn’t need a map to find his riding — a poke at all the fresh-faced New Democrat MPs, one of whom had never been to the riding in which they were elected.

They came, they won, they gloated: Tories gather in Ottawa for party convention - thestar.com

 

[cranky]

I'm not an expert on this myself, but here's a recent article about it..

Lots of losers, few winners in CWB fight

Even Agriculture Minister Gerry Ritz concedes that most Prairie wheat and barley producers support the Canadian Wheat Board. "The wheat board claims they have the support of 60 per cent of the farmers. That's a great base to start from,'' Ritz told the Regina & District Chamber of Commerce Tuesday, referring to the voluntary wheat board the Tories intend to create as of Aug. 1, 2012.

According to a 2007 study by PricewaterhouseCoopers, the CWB generates an estimated economic impact of $1.6 billion a year. As the world's largest exporter of wheat and barley, the CWB markets more than 20 million tonnes of grains and has sales in excess of $5 billion annually, giving it real market clout.

The Winnipeg-based agency markets Canadian grain to more than 70 countries and returns its sales revenues, less marketing costs, to 50,000 Prairie farmers. The single desk system enables the CWB to guarantee not only the quantity and quality of grain delivered to its customers, but also an initial payment to producers.

It can do this through a government guarantee, which is not a subsidy, but a line of credit that allows the CWB to provide a minimum floor price for farmers, not unlike support programs offered by other governments to their producers.

As to the subsidy charge, the U.S. government has investigated the board eight times in the past 10 years and the CWB has been found to be trading fairly and within international trading rules.

In fact, numerous studies by agricultural economists have shown the CWB earns a premium price for producers through its market clout, timing sales to catch market peaks, ensuring both the quality and quantity of grain delivered and getting volume discounts on shipping and handling.

So, what happens on Aug. 1, 2012? Well, no one can say for sure, but the Australian Wheat Board, which lost its monopoly in 2008, provides a pretty good example. Despite having been in operation for more than 20 years, within a year of the removal of the single desk, the AWB's share of the export market dropped to 23 per cent. Since then, the AWB was taken over in a $1.1-billion bid by Agrium, which sold the commodity marketing arm of AWB to Cargill for $175 million.

Lots of losers, few winners in CWB fight​

Common Questions About A Voluntary Canadian Wheat Board

when you click on this page, a hypothetical conversation between two computer generated voices, one being a farmer, one being a CWB bureaucrat. Undoubtably it is provocative and favors the anti-CWB side of the story.

Regardless of your views, you will probably find it very entertaining and interesting to listen to.

 

[mentalfloss]

Common Questions About A Voluntary Canadian Wheat Board

when you click on this page, a hypothetical conversation between two computer generated voices, one being a farmer, one being a CWB bureaucrat. Undoubtably it is provocative and favors the anti-CWB side of the story.

Regardless of your views, you will probably find it very entertaining and interesting to listen to.

Why do people even watch those computer animated things?

There's no accountability and anyone can just make up whatever crap they want.

 

[Colpy]

They came, they won, they gloated: Tories gather in Ottawa for party convention

OTTAWA—Conservative Party members have descended on Ottawa for a three-day conference that began Thursday night with rounds of speeches poking fun at the opposition, the media and even the Senate page who interrupted the throne speech by striding onto the floor holding a sign demanding Prime Minister Stephen Harper be stopped.

Minutes into former minister Stockwell Day’s address to the roughly 2,000 people gathered at the Ottawa Convention Centre, his wife Valerie strode onto the stage holding a red stop sign with the words “We Love Harper.”

The bit of political theatre showcased the party’s arrogantly victorious mood as it headed into a policy weekend just weeks after winning its coveted majority government, taking 166 of the 308 seats in the House of Commons.

The campaign catchphrase “strong stable Conservative majority government” made its way into every single speech, as did jibes at the new Opposition New Democrats. Master of ceremonies Stephen Blaney, who is the veterans’ affairs minister, joked that he was one of the only Quebec MPs who didn’t need a map to find his riding — a poke at all the fresh-faced New Democrat MPs, one of whom had never been to the riding in which they were elected.

They came, they won, they gloated: Tories gather in Ottawa for party convention - thestar.com

RIGHT!

The Star....gotta love'em. lol

Bridgette DePape breaks her oath and the trust invested in her while she defiles the symbolic expression of the power of the people over the monarch, and stands in contempt of Parliament and the democratic will of the people, as accused by the Conservatives, AND by Jack Layton, Elizabeth May, and Bob Rae.........

And she gets

Well played, Brigette. She’s bright, she’s brave, she made her stand.

Mallick: Rebel page is the real thing - thestar.com

The Real Thing....she's Coca-Cola???

Meanwhile, as an amusing bit of political theatre, in a completely non-governmental conference, as a joke, the wife of a speaker stands up with a Love Harper sign, and that

showcased the party’s arrogantly victorious mood

And we're supposed to take this paper seriously....really?

Does anything coming out of Toronto NOT rot the brain???

 

[mentalfloss]

Does anything coming out of Toronto NOT rot the brain???

Conservatives are such sour grapes.

And by the way, your confirmation bias is showing. If you're going to link one of the Op ed's, you might as well link the other..

Franks: Page’s protest sets poor precedent


I'd also recommend learning about logical fallacies. That whole.. critical thinking methodology that can definitely help a rotting brain.

 

[Corduroy]

Ah, I knew it! lol

What I'd like to know is how. Was it all the references to drinking?

I'm never going to convince you of this, but to me at least, the idea that we can make the Monarch mouth words we put in her mouth (or her representative's mouth) is a demonstration of our victory over the gentry, an expression of our power over those that once had power over us

Don't you think that's a bit rude? It's bad enough that she has no real rights to free speech or [overt] political association, but now we have to force words into her mouth, and for what? So we can gloat about our victory over her ancestors? This poor woman. Octogenarian, a grandmother, lived through the darkest days of the 20th century in the UK - the depression, the rise of fascism, the blitz, the Cold War, Irish Republican terrorism, Mau Mau, Duran Duran - and throughout all that time she's stoically and selflessly served her country (isn't that what you monarchists love to say?). Why should she be treated like a ventriloquist's dummy? Why should she be shamed like that every opening of Parliament merely because the people need an arrogant display of their dominance?

And why her? Because of her ancestry! The sins of her father? Or her father's father's mother's uncle's father, etc., etc.? That seems to go against all democratic principle - and isn't this symbol supposed to be a triumph of democracy? What hypocrites we are! Imagine how she must feel, every time she sits on that throne, in her uncomfortable regal attire, knowing that she is just another notch in a line of her recent ancestors forced to humble themselves before the people so that they may stand over the generations of her family and yearly proclaim their victory and dominance. I wonder what she thinks when she looks into her grandson's eyes and sees the same fate laid out before him. How long, she must wonder, will her descendants have to endure both the selfless service and the shame?

It's not as popular anymore, but the English used to celebrate their triumph over Catholicism every November 5th by burning pope's in effigy. Sometimes this could manifest itself in real violence against Catholics. And as I'm sure you know, the practice continues, somewhat secularized, today - big party, fire, effigies, the whole deal. For the triumph over monarchy, you could have your symbol any way you like just as you can over "Popery". But for some reason you insist on a human sacrifice. You insist on a real insult to a real person and to her descendents, indefinitely.

 

[Nuggler]

What did she stand up for? Disloyalty and stupidity? :lol:

You can't diss, then smile......................not allowed.

She stood up against a revolting, neocon, nazi thug, who will, when all the chickies come to roost, have gulags, super secure prisons, just for people who speak out against him, and for anything else herr Harpo doesn't like.........the way I post, for example. But, I'm old, so fukk him, and everyone like him.

You, on the other hand, will be safe as long as you stand by the side of the road, clap your hands on cue, and grin like an idiot. Maybe throw the occasional stiff arm salute.....................

If she's for disloyalty and stupidity, I, and the other 60% of Canadians who believe Harper's a fukking nutbar, stand with her.

That should splain it.

 

[JLM]

You can't diss, then smile......................not allowed.

She stood up against a revolting, neocon, nazi thug, who will, when all the chickies come to roost, have gulags, super secure prisons, just for people who speak out against him, and for anything else herr Harpo doesn't like.........the way I post, for example. But, I'm old, so fukk him, and everyone like him.

You, on the other hand, will be safe as long as you stand by the side of the road, clap your hands on cue, and grin like an idiot. Maybe throw the occasional stiff arm salute.....................

If she's for disloyalty and stupidity, I, and the other 60% of Canadians who believe Harper's a fukking nutbar, stand with her.

That should splain it.

Oooooooooooh do I detect Chicken Little? :smile:

 

[Cliffy]

Oooooooooooh do I detect Chicken Little? :smile:

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Harper is a dangerous man and we will regret giving him a majority. I stand with Nuggler on this one, 100%.

 

[TenPenny]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Harper is a dangerous man and we will regret giving him a majority. I stand with Nuggler on this one, 100%.

So you believe he's building prisons for people who disagree with him?