Abortion demonstration just doesn't sound right.
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Good for you and congrats.... but something else to take out of what you said is that pressure and people telling you what to do with your life can come from both sides of the argument.
The bottom line here is that you both made your "Choice".... you decided what you wanted to do and decided to raise your child as you saw fit, regardless of the challenges that came with that choice or what others thought or said.
That's all I support.... people having the right to choose for themselves what will happen.
With Abortion being banned or greatly restricted, nobody has a choice.... the choice is made for you, even if you'd never opt for abortion in the first place.
As I said before, I would never personally choose abortion myself, but my life is not everybody else's and my choices are not right for everyone.
You shore you wasn't a snake oil cure all salesman in the old west in a previous life?:lol:
You shore you wasn't a snake oil cure all salesman in the old west in a previous life?:lol:
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Twern't neither a salesman nor alive before a thiseneer.
CCRMG
Praxius That's all I support.... people having the right to choose for themselves what will happen. With Abortion being banned or greatly restricted said:
Praxius is already well into his life and to kill him now would cause a lot of pain and suffering.
A fetus that has barely developed its spinal cord or nervous system wouldn't endure anything. It would be like cracking open a couple of fresh eggs and tossing them on the skillet.
And no rational human being would question a nice helping of bacon and eggs (unless they're vegans).
People who for abortions (not necessary for the health of the mother) have no problem justifying. I do have a problem (having seen pictures of a fetus and feeling one kicking) equating it with a f*****g egg! :roll:
Me thinks many don't know the difference between embryo and fetus.
By 8 weeks a fetus is 50% brain of it's total mass.
8 flippin weeks.
By 8 weeks a fetus is 50% brain of it's total mass.
8 flippin weeks.
what you or your wife thinks means absolutely nothing to me, I don't know either one of you, and
as soon as the name calling begins, your credability and your wifes goes right down the toilet.
you have said many rude and ignorant things, but I have not resorted to calling you names, just
have a difference in opinion and personal decision making, you and your wife have a problem with
politness and manners and choose to make rash judgements of others without reading thoroughly,
but only by picking out a sentence and changing it to suit you, keep up the good work, you and
your wife certainly deserve each other.
when one takes a pet to the spca, then turns and walks out the door, no thought is given to where
that animal will go, AND when a new mother gives her baby away, it is very similar, just give it
away? I could never do that, then walk away continue with my happy little life, with no guarantees
at all that the 'right' people, or 'anyone' will give my child a good life, a happy home, and help
he/she grow up to be a responsible citizen, YES, there is definitely a close comparison.
I am very satisfied with my morality and my decision making on this subject, I deeply care about what
happens to unborn children, BUT in early pregnancy, I would definitely choose an abortion over giving
my child away, just like people give animals away, and don't care from that point on, not for me, I
have far too much caring in my heart to make such a frivalous decision.
What I see is a very uncaring and selfish decision. Since you don't want or can't keep the baby, then nobody can have it. I see it as not being about the baby, but being all about you. The justification you are using is no different than the nutcase mothers/fathers that decide that it is better to kill their "born" children because they "can't" take care of them. It's murder then, just as it's murder in what you are advocating.
Not necessarily.
I can see where taloola's coming from. It's more of a prediction about what kind of life the child will have to endure. And that child has two possible futures:
1.) Endure a life with the biological family - one that the party truly believes might be harmful to the child
2.) Endure a life with some foster family - where the uncertainty may not be worth the risk
In either case, there is no real guarantee of the quality of life for that child. And since their father has billions of sperm, and the mother could still be fertile if the abortion is early enough, then the responsible and empathetic thing to do might be to end this avenue and wait for a more appropriate time.
Ultimately, it doesn't really matter as life isn't inherently precious. But if the party that wants to abort feels that strongly that raising the child is not worth the responsibility, then they've made a good choice to avoid the burden of responsibility on themselves and on society.
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I catch on a lot more than most. The issue at hand is about personal freedom of choice not about 'killing babies' as Gerry puts it.
When my wife got pregnant for the second time and the embryo was attached to and forming around her IUD we had to make a choice. We could have chosen to risk her health and taken the >1% chance of having a live birth or we could have chosen a termination (which we did). While it was a very emotional decision that was against our normal nature it was ours to make, not yours, not the doctor, not the state. I can tell you right now the resulting emotional trauma if we had been forced to take that almost 0% chance and had a stillborn that looked nothing like a baby while putting my wife at risk would be much worse than what we dealt with at the time and still do today. I am grateful that the decision was left in our hands and not forced upon us by others. So you and Gerry and the other pro-lifers can babble all you want about how wrong it is to terminate a pregnancy but that is your decision to make for yourself and not for others. You don't have to respect somebody else's decision but you have to respect their right to make the choice for themselves.
I don't need to debate about when a blastocyst or embryo becomes a human life because it doesn't matter, I believe in the personal freedom to chose for yourself and that is where it ends.
As I mentioned earlier, how about all the pro-life types step up and pay from their pockets for all the medical care and mental health care for these women you want to force to have babies and then take on the resposibility for the kids after birth. If you are not willing to do that then you are all just trying to impose your personal belief and view on others. You might as well make a law requiring someone to be christian or vegetarian because it is still imposing your personal belief on others and that is wrong.
While I agree with you that not all pro-lifers are religious and a lot of religious people are pro-choice you have to admit that the majority of abortion opposition comes from the more regimented religious doctrines right like catholics and 7th day adventist.
It is when that opinion icludes you taking control of someone else's body. That is the hight of arrogance almost to the point of being a self appointed diety.
But your wife is not a selfish bitch in forcing others to live life according to her standards? It is a 2 way street, you want to outlaw abortion for selfish reasons, no matter how much you want to think its about babies, it is your personal belief and you want to impose that on others against their will and that is selfish.