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petros

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Do people with sleep sweating have a pill deficency or do they have an open window deficiency? Is a lack of an open window really a treatable condition by using medication?
 

Unforgiven

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Yes, that is what I'm asking you.

You're failing to provide even one example of an illness, disease, or disorder invented by a drug company. Hence, why I asked you about sleep sweats.

Drug Company Discovers a New Illness Called "Slightly Off Syndrome"



NEW YORK — Pfizer has announced that it has discovered a new illness that affects billions of people around the world, and is particularly prevalent in people who have the disposable income to spend on pharmaceuticals. Miraculously, it has also discovered a drug that will temporarily relieve the symptoms. As a public service, it will start a worldwide advertising campaign to educate people about the new illness, and to push their new pill, which contains a mixture of caffeine and sugar, and will sell for $30 for a bottle of 50 tablets.

"The newly identified illness is called 'Slightly Off Syndrome', or SOS," said a spokesman for Pfizer. "The symptoms are that some days you feel a little tired, or a little down, or not at your best. It is often associated with having had a late night, or having just had a minor disappointment, or just feeling a little bored."

"My husband has SOS," said a woman who wished to remain anonymous to avoid the stigma, "He is always nice to me and always happy, and has never said a cross word to me. He always does what I want to do. But this morning he seemed a little quiet, so I popped two of these new pills into his coffee. I don't want him starting to do what HE wants to do."

"I have occasional symptoms of SOS," said a man who received a big pile of cash from Pfizer. "And for my occasional symptoms, I pop the new pills."

"SOS is a lot like Adult Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, or AADHD," said the Pfizer spokesman. "You know, if you're, like, a working mom in a meeting in the office and you suddenly think to yourself, 'If this meeting doesn't end soon, I'll be late to pick up Johnny from pre-school,' that's AADHD! You have momentarily thought about something else during a meeting. You need our pill for AADHD, which is basically sugar and aspirin."

OMFG are you serious
 

Tonington

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See Petros, if you can't be factual, you can at least be funny. Nice one Unf :D
 

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karrie

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Why do they need to copy the plant itself? If they identify which compounds, out of the many compounds found in raw cannabis, they can synthesize the compound and when it's shown that the compound is safe, efficacious for the treatment prescribed, and pure, then they have a new drug.

Pain management is not a very well understood field of medicine. Veterinarians receive more training in it than medical doctors do.


Synthesizing and isolating could mean removing complex interactions which make that compound safe though... like giving people tryptophan pills because they realized tryptophan helps you sleep. yeah, well, the pills will also kill you.

Why synthesize or put it in pill form at all when just cooking up something you can grow in your back yard will do?
 

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Why synthesize or put it in pill form at all when just cooking up something you can grow in your back yard will do?

Because those other compounds can have deleterious interactions as well. From a diagnosis perspective, the doctor wants to know how the drug they are prescribing will interact with any medications the patient is taking, and what are the associated risks. If you don't know, it's more difficult to prescribe. From a research perspective, it's far easier to identify interactions when your tests have fewer factors.


Petros already posted that. The diseases they mention that "Big Pharma" is inventing are already established disease/illnesses/conditions. And as I already said to Petros, I won't argue that the marketeers are looking to expand their market potential. But that is not the same thing at all as inventing a disease out of thin air.

Fail #1

http://www.naturalnews.com/002884.html

More of the same as the first link. Hypertension, osteoporosis, high cholesterol, anxiety, and depression were not invented by pharmaceuticals.

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/05/inventing-disease-sell-drugs
Inventing Disease to Sell Drugs | Mother Jones
to prepare the market for new drugs, expand existing markets, position products against competitors, and promote unproven uses of treatments.​
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/www.citizen.org/documents/hl_sept05.pdf
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/www.citizen.org/documents/hl_sept05.pdf

Again, more of the same, no actual fictitioous disease. They keep mentioning these fictitious diseases, but none of them, your links, or you or Petros, have named one specifically.

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/www.citizen.org/documents/hl_sept05.pdf

Gee, what a shocker, here's the first few they talk about:

High blood pressure, high cholesterol, osteoporosis, obesity. Not invented by pharmaceuticals. Osteopenia, the condition they mentioned, just means lower density of minerals in the bones, which has multiple possible causes. That's not invented by the pharmaceuticals either, it's a pathology. Lower bone density has a cause, it has a mechanism of development, it is characterized by changes in structure, and it has consequences.

I Googled "pharmaceutical companies invent diseases" and found 888,000 pages.

So, I googled "Bush is an alien" and got over 28 million. Doesn't mean it's true, do you understand how a web search works? They aren't programmed to search for truth...

You can look the rest up yourself.

I have better use of my time than to investigate crazy assertions that posters here make. It would be a full time job if I concerned myself in such a way.

Anyways, the burden of proof is on you to provide at least one example. If you could even name the invention, I could at least look that up myself.
 

Unforgiven

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Synthesizing and isolating could mean removing complex interactions which make that compound safe though... like giving people tryptophan pills because they realized tryptophan helps you sleep. yeah, well, the pills will also kill you.

Why synthesize or put it in pill form at all when just cooking up something you can grow in your back yard will do?

It's easy to mimic nature but very very difficult to actually reproduce it's effects. Cannabis is perfect like that only we can take enjoyment from it that makes others uncomfortable. That's where the discussion should be. This drug isn't going to make me do anything to harm you. It will help me.
 

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Because those other compounds can have deleterious interactions as well. From a diagnosis perspective, the doctor wants to know how the drug they are prescribing will interact with any medications the patient is taking, and what are the associated risks. If you don't know, it's more difficult to prescribe. From a research perspective, it's far easier to identify interactions when your tests have fewer factors.
That is nonsense. Take the use of synthesized THC for cancer patients. Didn't work in isolation because the effects require the whole combo of compounds to work.

So, I googled "Bush is an alien" and got over 28 million. Doesn't mean it's true, do you understand how a web search works? They aren't programmed to search for truth...
Bush is an alien shape shifting lizard. Didn't you know? I thought everybody knew that. So much for a University degree, eh!
 

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No eveidence could be because there is almost no research because the stuff is illegal for purely political reasons. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that should be an indication that it should have been studied for the last 50 years. So can you explain why it hasn't been?


How about pharmaceutical companies inventing diseases to push unnecessary drugs for massive profits? If this is happening in the mental health field, it is happening in all fields.

YouTube - Making a Killing: The Pharmaceutical Industry 2/3

The word anecdotal in your post really answers the question. In spite of quite intensive study (and there has been intensive study of cannabis - contrary to your claim) there is no evidence that it provides any healthful benefits other than those of improving appetite and reducing nausea for those receiving cancer treatments.

As for why the large pharmaceutical companies have not latched onto marijuana the answer is very simple - they can't make a profit out of a drug they cannot patent. As you have indirectly pointed out most pharmaceutical research is aimed at maximizing profits; not in actually curing any diseases. That is why the major breakthroughs in medicine and disease prevention have all occurred in government sponsored research facilities. If anything illustrates the blatant weakness of depending on the market system for all scientific advances, for profit pharmaceutical companies certainly do.
 

Tonington

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If anything illustrates the blatant weakness of depending on the market system for all scientific advances, for profit pharmaceutical companies certainly do.

That's certainly true. I compare the work I do now to an assembly line. It's not nearly as dynamic as the academic world, where investigations can be so imaginative. When we talk about innovation at work, it usually means using new research that someone else has done, or sponsoring doctoral/post-doctoral positions, and then applying the new platforms to our assembly line. As you say, the corporation is in the business to make money, so we can't afford to be doing much exploratory research when the capital costs in this industry are so high. For that reason alone, I doubt I'll be with this company for the long haul.