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…what I would like to do today is I would like to dispel the myth that the pharmaceutical industry is in the business of health and healing. Because in fact what the pharmaceutical industry is in the business of doing is disease maintenance and symptoms management. They are not in the business to cure cancer, to cure Alzheimer, to cure heart disease, because if they were they would be in the business of putting themselves out of business and that in fact doesn’t make sense.

That is a myth...any company that invents a treatment for the diseases you mention will have all the market share, and inventing a drug doesn't mean the illness goes away...there will always be new people who become diseased or ill, and being the only game in town is very desirable.
 

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You don't really believe a pharmaceutical company has never proliferated disease to increase profit do you?
 

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You don't really believe a pharmaceutical company has never proliferated disease to increase profit do you?

Pharmaceutical companies have done all sorts of nefarious things in the name of profit, some much more so than others. But that doesn't mean everything they do is nefarious. The company I work for gives away a malaria treatment. No profit. We also work in our communities, I just finished cleaning a beach (the last time I was this sore I was landscaping, on the wrong end of a Ukranian backhoe, as my Alberta co-workers used to say) and have the rest of the day off. A local lady brought us coffee and muffins. The kids of a local restaurateur filled their trucks with the sea weed to bring to a local garden center.

It's not all bad.
 

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It's a real stretch to justify the likes of knowingly distributing HIV tainted hemophiliac meds by cleaning a beach or two or handing out ready to expire meds as goodwill gestures.

I'm not coming down on you at all as pharma doesn't even finish in the same pack as my industry of resources when it comes to inhumane practices but not one Cameco community picnic has never brought back a victim of radiation induced lymphoma and nor will cleaning a beach bring life back to a Hungarian hemophiliac.
 

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It's a real stretch to justify the likes of knowingly distributing HIV tainted hemophiliac meds by cleaning a beach or two or handing out ready to expire meds as goodwill gestures.

I never attempted to justify...I outright said that nefarious things have been done. And the over 300 million treatments that we have distributed without profit were not about to expire...any company that is manufacturing drugs and has that much on hand which is about to expire would not be able to compete in this industry.
 

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Right, back to square one. Which disorders have been invented that aren't disorders?
 

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It's a simple question...you and Cliffy have both claimed drug companies invented illness to fit drugs they created. So please provide examples for your assertions. Which illnesses, and if you would be so kind as to tell us all, who it was that invented the illness.
 

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I'll make it easy for you.

AstraZeneca Enters Into $68.5 Million Settlement With 37 States and D.C. Over Alleged Off-label Marketing of Seroquel


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In what state attorneys general are calling the largest ever multistate consumer protection-based agreement with a pharmaceutical company, 37 states and the District of Columbia will receive a total of $68.5 million in a settlement with AstraZeneca Pharmaceuticals L.P. arising from the alleged unlawful off-label marketing of the antipsychotic medication Seroquel. Under the terms of the settlement, the company also agreed not to promote the drug in a false, misleading or deceptive manner.
According to releases by two of the attorneys general involved in the settlement, AstraZeneca agreed to publicly post its payments to physicians on a website; to ensure that sales and marketing personnel do not receive financial incentives for off-label marketing and do not promote Seroquel to health care providers who are unlikely to prescribe Seroquel for an FDA-approved use; and to cite FDA-approved uses of Seroquel when referring to selected symptoms, rather than promoting the drug by highlighting the symptoms alone.
The states alleged that AstraZeneca unlawfully marketed the antipsychotic for a number of off-label uses, including its use in nursing homes for the treatment of Alzheimer’s disease and dementia, as well as its use to treat anxiety, depression, sleep disorders and post-traumatic stress disorder.
The states also alleged that AstraZeneca failed to adequately disclose the drug’s potential side effects to health care providers, and that it withheld negative information derived from studies of the drug’s safety and efficacy.
The attorneys general of Florida and Illinois led the three-year investigation, according to the office of Iowa Attorney General Tom Miller.
Additional coverage of the settlement will appear in the April issue of Thompson Publishing Group’s FDA Enforcement Manual newsletter.

It's a simple question...you and Cliffy have both claimed drug companies invented illness to fit drugs they created. So please provide examples for your assertions. Which illnesses, and if you would be so kind as to tell us all, who it was that invented the illness.
Need more?
 

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You must be joking, that does not say that Astra Zeneca invented a disorder, it says that they were marketing a drug to disorders it wasn't registered to treat.

They didnt invent Alzheimers or dementia...

Any real examples?
 

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Are Pharmaceutical Companies Inventing Diseases, New Study Suggests They Are

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According to a report in the Public Library of Science and Medicine, pharmaceutical companies are inventing diseases in order to up their sales figures. Scientists at the University of Newcastle, Australia, said such conditions as the menopause are being medicalised by the industry.

Weaved into �lllnesses' are such reports as �sexual dysfunction affects 43% of US females', say David Henry and Ray Moynihan, authors of the report. They added that high cholesterol and osteoporosis are being labelled �diseases' by the industry.

Restless leg syndrome, a relatively rare condition are being blown out of all proportions, they say.

Disease Awareness Campaigns, funded by the industry, are aimed at promoting drug sales rather than informing people about how to take preventive measures.

The researchers accuse the industry of widening the boundaries of illness, which results in more treatments for these �illnesses', said the researchers.

They added that pharmaceutical industry marketers have the ability to manipulate health professionals and advocacy groups, whose aims are the welfare of patients.

The pharmaceutical industry says it does not invent diseases. It states that it is up to doctors to decide what a disease is.

Disease mongering turns healthy people into patients, wastes precious resources, and causes iatrogenic harm. Like the marketing strategies that drive it, disease mongering poses a global challenge to those interested in public health, demanding in turn a global response. This theme issue of PLoS Medicine is explicitly designed to help provoke and inform that response. See full article.

Ray Moynihan and David Henry are the guest editors of the April 2006 theme issue of PLoS Medicine on disease mongering. Ray Moynihan is a journalist, documentary maker, author, and conjoint lecturer at the University of Newcastle, Newcastle, New South Wales, Australia, and recently co-authored Selling Sickness: How the World's Biggest Pharmaceutical Companies Are Turning Us All into Patients (Nation Books, New York, 2005). David Henry is a professor of clinical pharmacology at the University of Newcastle, Newcastle, New South Wales, Australia, and co-founder of Media Doctor (www.mediadoctor.org.au), a Web site that monitors media coverage of medicine.

Public Library of Science and Medicine

Drugs companies 'inventing diseases to boost their profits'



By Mark Henderson, Science Correspondent


div#related-article-links p a, div#related-article-links p a:visited {color:#06c;}The practice of “diseasemongering” by the drug industry is promoting non-existent illnesses or exaggerating minor ones for the sake of profits, according to a set of essays published by the open-access journal Public Library of Science Medicine.
The special issue, edited by David Henry, of Newcastle University in Australia, and Ray Moynihan, an Australian journalist, reports that conditions such as female sexual dysfunction, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and “restless legs syndrome” have been promoted by companies hoping to sell more of their drugs.
Other minor problems that are a normal part of life, such as symptoms of the menopause, are also becoming increasingly “medicalised”, while risk factors such as high cholesterol levels or osteoporosis are being presented as diseases in their own right, according to the editors.
“Disease-mongering turns healthy people into patients, wastes precious resources and causes iatrogenic (medically induced) harm,” they say. “Like the marketing strategies that drive it, disease-mongering poses a global challenge to those interested in public health, demanding in turn a global response.”
Doctors, patients and support groups need to be more aware that pharmaceutical companies are taking this approach, and more research is needed into the changing ways in which conditions are presented, according to the writers.
Disease-awareness campaigns are often funded by drug companies, and “more often designed to sell drugs than to illuminate or inform or educate about the prevention of illness or the maintenance of health”, they say.
Particular conditions that are highlighted in the journal include sexual function in both men and women. The prevalence of female sexual dysfunction, one paper claims, has been highly exaggerated to provide a new market for drugs, while the makers of anti-impotence medicines, such as Viagra and Cialis, have been involved with their presentation as lifestyle drugs that can boost the sexual prowess of healthy men.
Ordinary shyness is routinely presented as a social anxiety disorder and treated with antidepressants, while newly identified conditions such as “restless legs syndrome” — a constant urge to move one’s legs — are presented as being much more common than they really are.
Richard Ley, of the Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industry, rejected the accusations, pointing out that Britain has firm safeguards against disease-mongering. Many of the authors’ criticisms, he said, were aimed squarely at countries such as the United States, where pharmaceuticals can be openly advertised directly to patients.
“Drug companies are not allowed to communicate directly with patients, and we do not invent diseases,” he said.
“We provide information that there are treatments out there that might help certain conditions, but at the end of the day it is down to health professionals to decide if they are appropriate.
“The best safeguard is that the doctor who knows the product and knows the patient’s history is the one who decides what to prescribe.”
TRICK OR TREAT?
MENOPAUSE
Symptoms
include hot flushes, night sweats and loss of libido
Criticism too often “medicalised” as part of a “disorder” when it is a normal phase of life
IRRITABLE BOWEL SYNDROME
Symptoms
include constipation, cramps and diarrhoea
Criticism promoted by drug companies as a serious illness needing therapy, when it is usually a mild problem
SEXUAL DYSFUNCTION
Symptoms
impotence in men, lack of libido or difficulty becoming aroused in women
Criticism drugs such as Viagra marketed not only for treating genuine erectile dysfunction caused by medical problems but as lifestyle improvers


OSTEOPOROSIS
Symptoms
thinning of the bones, particularly among postmenopausal women
Criticism portrayed as a disease in its own right, when it is really a risk factor for broken bones
RESTLESS LEGS
Symptoms urge to move legs because of unpleasant feelings, often at night
Criticism prevalence of a relatively rare condition exaggerated by the media, along with the need for treatment

WTF is sleep sweating?
 

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Menopause, sexual dysfunction, high cholesterol, osteoporosis, and restless leg syndrome were not invented by drug companies. I don't argue that drug companies will look to expand the markets available to them, but I do argue when someone says they are inventing illness/disease/disorder.
 

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Marijuana doesn't cure anything. I've been around the marijuana culture a long time and I can tell you that all it does is a) make you stupid if consistently used, b) detract your motivation, c) attempts to fill a void in your life or medicate depression, which is in fact just ignoring your problems instead of getting to the root of them so you can find a true cure.

Did you come to that conclusion when you traded weed for Jesus?
 

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Menopause, sexual dysfunction, high cholesterol, osteoporosis, and restless leg syndrome were not invented by drug companies. I don't argue that drug companies will look to expand the markets available to them, but I do argue when someone says they are inventing illness/disease/disorder.
WTF is sleep sweating?
 

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Who made it something problematic?

Yes, that is what I'm asking you.

You're failing to provide even one example of an illness, disease, or disorder invented by a drug company. Hence, why I asked you about sleep sweats.
 

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Who classifies it as a "treatable disorder"? Do people with sleep sweating have a pill deficency or do they have an open window deficiency?
 

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Yawn, you're boring. I'll come back later to see if you've found one example.