Next Liberal Leader

Colpy

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Rise up Canada RISE UP!


Why I had hopes for the Count........and why he disappointed me:

In the years after the disintegration of Yugoslavia, he was a rare example on the international stage (via the BBC and Harvard) of muscular liberalism. Indeed, a post-9/11 think-piece by a Boston Globe writer put Ignatieff in the same neo-imperialist group as me and Charles Krauthammer. The price he paid for the toxic chalice of the Liberal Party was that he would no longer do it his way but only the brain-dead cobwebbed conventional Grit establishment's way, and he wound up taking the blows anyway, without the compensating thought that that he had at least to his own self been true. It profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world. But for Stornaway?

SteynOnline - PUT YOUR DREAMS AWAY

A weak man, without real convictions, destroyed by the Liberal Party that he, in turn, has damaged immensely.
 

damngrumpy

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Maybe he and Dion could manage the party together, just a thought.
The only person they have left if he is left after today is young Trudeau
and face it he is not ready. The Liberal Party has become not only an
arrogant machine it became a dogmatic arrogant machine and it is not
being destroyed it is in all likely hood going to implode.
Next the Conservatives, they are an arrogant social conservative machine
that will likely not get anything that looks like a majority until they become
a fiscal rather than socially conservative.
The NDP if it makes the official opposition, they will be forced to give up
their last vestiges of being a movement and become a full fledged party.
If they attain power and are not careful they too will become another one
of those arrogant machines.
This is the Canadian way. The one thing I have always believed the
conservatives and the New Democrats have always had a set of principles
to follow like them or not, the Liberals on the other hand lacked the central
principles of the others and for a while it served their cause, but those days
are no more.
 

taxslave

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If I was a member of the Liberal party I would first be looking for a Canadian for a leader. One that has worked for a living and is not so far out in left field as to be irrelevant to most Canadians.
 

JLM

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Do they still have official party status? :smile:

Maybe he and Dion could manage the party together, just a thought.
The only person they have left if he is left after today is young Trudeau
and face it he is not ready. The Liberal Party has become not only an
arrogant machine it became a dogmatic arrogant machine and it is not
being destroyed it is in all likely hood going to implode.
Next the Conservatives, they are an arrogant social conservative machine
that will likely not get anything that looks like a majority until they become
a fiscal rather than socially conservative.
The NDP if it makes the official opposition, they will be forced to give up
their last vestiges of being a movement and become a full fledged party.
If they attain power and are not careful they too will become another one
of those arrogant machines.
This is the Canadian way. The one thing I have always believed the
conservatives and the New Democrats have always had a set of principles
to follow like them or not, the Liberals on the other hand lacked the central
principles of the others and for a while it served their cause, but those days
are no more.

Well, Grumpy I have to admit you were a hell of a lot closer at predicting this thing than I was- guess old Yogi had it pegged when he said "it ain't over until it's over". (If you are looking for a job I think the Liberals might have one for you) :lol:
 

Cannuck

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I thought it was Fox Force Five? I like the funny one.

It was neither.


 

Mowich

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Next the Conservatives, they are an arrogant social conservative machine that will likely not get anything that looks like a majority until they become a fiscal rather than socially conservative.

Well, DG, we do have a majority - a strong one at that. Canadians voting for the Conservatives obviously did not feel as you and saw, as did I, that our country was being run by a party that is fiscally responsible and is dedicated to moving our country forward.


The NDP if it makes the official opposition, they will be forced to give up their last vestiges of being a movement and become a full fledged party. If they attain power and are not careful they too will become another one of those arrogant machines.
I congratulate Jack on this historic election. He has a tough row to hoe now and I wish him all the best as the Official Opposition of Canada - well done Jack. I also thank him for taking the Bloc out of the Federal equation - that more than anything else gives me great hope for the future of Quebec in Canada.


The one thing I have always believed the conservatives and the New Democrats have always had a set of principles to follow like them or not, the Liberals on the other hand lacked the central principles of the others and for a while it served their cause, but those days are no more.
Both Mr Harper and Mr Layton are being very conciliatory in their remarks today. I believe that we will see these parties well able to work together for Canada.
 

DurkaDurka

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what about justin trudeau, were they hoping he would eventually want that position?

He's too young and inexperienced, perhaps ten years down the road. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the Liberals maneuver away from their "past glories" in the coming years, they need something to sell the voters besides fading accomplishments.
 

Mowich

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what about justin trudeau, were they hoping he would eventually want that position?

From what I have been reading, talloola, the Libs have been 'grooming' Justin for a run at the leadership but that was to be in the future. Now that the party is in complete shambles, they may decide to change that schedule - however, I believe that they need to spend sometime in the 'wilderness' as did the Conservatives. Their grass-roots support is almost non-existent and their relevance on the political scene questionable at best.
 

JLM

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what about justin trudeau, were they hoping he would eventually want that position?

Nah............"the acorn never falls far from the tree". :lol:

From what I have been reading, talloola, the Libs have been 'grooming' Justin for a run at the leadership but that was to be in the future. Now that the party is in complete shambles, they may decide to change that schedule - however, I believe that they need to spend sometime in the 'wilderness' as did the Conservatives. Their grass-roots support is almost non-existent and their relevance on the political scene questionable at best.

Maybe with some luck Justin Trudeau will be long in the tooth by then.
 

Tonington

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I'd put money on LeBlanc. They don't have a large pool to select from now. I heard this morning that they have been added to the IUCN red list of threatened species.
 

JLM

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Well, DG, we do have a majority - a strong one at that. Canadians voting for the Conservatives obviously did not feel as you and saw, as did I, that our country was being run by a party that is fiscally responsible and is dedicated to moving our country forward.


I congratulate Jack on this historic election. He has a tough row to hoe now and I wish him all the best as the Official Opposition of Canada - well done Jack. I also thank him for taking the Bloc out of the Federal equation - that more than anything else gives me great hope for the future of Quebec in Canada.


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Right, on all counts! :smile: