Founder of Islam, Mohammad, was a Pedophile
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Actually we have discussed this subject before, but wayzalways insist to repeat it again in consequence of my post that Jesus is only a son of man, not a son of God!
So in summary: the tradition that this noble wife of Mohammed: the "Beloved Servant of God" - salam be to him: it is only a tradition, and other traditions say different things.
This noble wife of the prophet was not mentioned in the Quran as being a child; it is only a tradition. This honored woman has some peculiar situation with different sects of Muslims: because of her stand against Imam Ali and her being the daughter of Abu Bakr the first Caliph after Mohammed's death.
She was young: yes, but she was 6 years old child; this can't be any logical unless one like Wayzalways may take it as a certain fact.
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Who is higher in position Jesus or Mohammed?
By the way, when Mohammed was asked:
Are you higher in rank than Jesus Christ and more close to God [because you are His beloved servant, and you went in your ascension utnil you stood before the throne of the Lord]?
He answered: How can I tell you something like that, when I shall face Jesus in the afterlife and it may be I shall find him nearer to God than I am!
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The early marriage or the relation?
In a medical meeting, some doctors said: the marriage of girls should not be less than twenty years or so as they said.
I said to them: Until when will you keep importing the teachings of the West without reasoning and thinking?
They said: How is that?
I said: In the West, when the girl and the boy become teenagers, they will roam here and there in the corners and gardens and hotels to make love without any watching and observation: this is their freedom as they call it.
Then when the boy and girl are adults (18 years according to the West), they will be girlfriends and boyfriends, practicing sex
adultery) in the name of love.
The thing is that the West only forbids the early marriage not the early relation as they call it.
Therefore, do not import any program without discerning about it.
The Ten Commandments In The Quran
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The early marriage will secure the girl in all her life stages
Few days ago I saw two young women who attended the outpatient clinic, to refer them to the maternity hospital for delivery or labor; I asked them about age: they said: 16 years, and one of them that was to her: the second childbirth.
I looked to them and I thought they were about 20 years in shape.
They were happy with their marriage and their parents were happy with their situation: for it is better for the young girl to marry when she become sexually mature (but of course not as a child who does not aware about sex).
The early marriage will keep her honor and let her enjoy her youth period without wasting of the time and suffering the psychological complexes and difficulties.
And when she is middle-aged she will find her sons becoming men to support her and take care about her.
So in summary: the tradition that this noble wife of Mohammed: the "Beloved Servant of God" - salam be to him: it is only a tradition, and other traditions say different things.
This noble wife of the prophet was not mentioned in the Quran as being a child; it is only a tradition. This honored woman has some peculiar situation with different sects of Muslims: because of her stand against Imam Ali and her being the daughter of Abu Bakr the first Caliph after Mohammed's death.
She was young: yes, but she was 6 years old child; this can't be any logical unless one like Wayzalways may take it as a certain fact.
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Who is higher in position Jesus or Mohammed?
By the way, when Mohammed was asked:
Are you higher in rank than Jesus Christ and more close to God [because you are His beloved servant, and you went in your ascension utnil you stood before the throne of the Lord]?
He answered: How can I tell you something like that, when I shall face Jesus in the afterlife and it may be I shall find him nearer to God than I am!
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The early marriage or the relation?
In a medical meeting, some doctors said: the marriage of girls should not be less than twenty years or so as they said.
I said to them: Until when will you keep importing the teachings of the West without reasoning and thinking?
They said: How is that?
I said: In the West, when the girl and the boy become teenagers, they will roam here and there in the corners and gardens and hotels to make love without any watching and observation: this is their freedom as they call it.
Then when the boy and girl are adults (18 years according to the West), they will be girlfriends and boyfriends, practicing sex
adultery) in the name of love.The thing is that the West only forbids the early marriage not the early relation as they call it.
Therefore, do not import any program without discerning about it.
The Ten Commandments In The Quran
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The early marriage will secure the girl in all her life stages
Few days ago I saw two young women who attended the outpatient clinic, to refer them to the maternity hospital for delivery or labor; I asked them about age: they said: 16 years, and one of them that was to her: the second childbirth.
I looked to them and I thought they were about 20 years in shape.
They were happy with their marriage and their parents were happy with their situation: for it is better for the young girl to marry when she become sexually mature (but of course not as a child who does not aware about sex).
The early marriage will keep her honor and let her enjoy her youth period without wasting of the time and suffering the psychological complexes and difficulties.
And when she is middle-aged she will find her sons becoming men to support her and take care about her.
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It's right in front of you. Again, you're just repeating yourself. Let's try a different approach.
Why would women get married at a younger age when their life expectancy was shorter?
Ah ha, so you agree with me that we can judge the past by our standards.
In how many cases was a virgin girl sold into marriage at a price where the family (of the bride)received a dowry?
In how many cases was the mother the one who made the arrangements (when it was the father who was the head of the household)?
If the mother is making the arrangements was she a 'widow' and as such making sure the boys survived by selling off the girls earlier than normal?
When in dire poverty would the girls have been abandoned (killed) as they were the least important to the family (after the frail and elderly) so the rest of the family could survive? (as in the not-to-long-ago-China)
What molester would wait 3 years or so from attacking a victim (when she is right there 25/7 and you are the boss of there whole area)?
By examining the various answers to the questions above could that be used to 'profile' a persons moral standards. Once you look deeper than a 'public outrage' that is how a predator would act, well ..... publicly. The aspect that shows a deeper part is how they viewed at the beginning, married mean intercourse, even if the bride is 6 years old. Does that initial reaction indicate 'tendencies'. (ie 100 peds would have said that sex would happen before 3 years are up. If any of John Q. Public thought along the same lines then their answers would also have been the same. Even men who have fantasies (to the point of full erection) about babysitters and girls about the age they first become fertile, not much better than a ped really if that is who they actually seek out.
The same applies to the Bible also, some assume when a virgin girl was taken captive she was most likely raped even before she was back in the camp. Even when given an alternative outcome is given that is 'gentler' that is rejected and the old vision is held onto. That should also be taken as a moral indicator of the person doing the 'judging'. For the record in the Bible I didn't have a gentler solution to even offer, it was seeing how the old view held onto that made me wonder about any such connection. Irregardless if I had a young daughter that needed a new father I sure as hell would put them at the bottom of the list rather than at the top.
To both man and woman there are sex requirements and social requirements in addition to many other psychological, time and age factors ...etc.
Many people speak about the somewhat delayed marriage, but if we think about the subject we find:
In case the man (and woman) delays the marriage say to 30 years of age; then the man (and woman) will suffer much for about 10-15 years or more - in case he and she is chaste.
So the people who support the delayed marriage almost they allow the relation and the adultery.
Moreover, the early marriage in addition to relieving the young from their sex and nervous tension, it will let them have sons and daughters early who will become adults when their parents are at the middle age and this will benefit them all.
I say this only to put it in mind, although the circumstances may be out of man's control and he cannot do the early marriage, but if he can have marriage early, it is far better for him, her and the community.
Many people speak about the somewhat delayed marriage, but if we think about the subject we find:
In case the man (and woman) delays the marriage say to 30 years of age; then the man (and woman) will suffer much for about 10-15 years or more - in case he and she is chaste.
So the people who support the delayed marriage almost they allow the relation and the adultery.
Moreover, the early marriage in addition to relieving the young from their sex and nervous tension, it will let them have sons and daughters early who will become adults when their parents are at the middle age and this will benefit them all.
I say this only to put it in mind, although the circumstances may be out of man's control and he cannot do the early marriage, but if he can have marriage early, it is far better for him, her and the community.
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Try not leaving any ?? marks in your posts. Sorry the questions were too difficult for you, there goes that last sliver of hope.
Not that I can find in the NT, a Church that doesn't shed the leaven in her means the whole groups gets condemned. A rather stupid move on the ones who just twiddled their thumbs.MHz, of course the books revealed from God give a different way of dealing than the barbaric heathen or idolaters like the Mongols and Tatar.
The question wasn't directed at you. Though I'm fine with other people answering the question, have I not said to you before that I'm not interested in dealing with your arguments from free association? When it comes to your posts, a good rule of thumb is if it's relevant, it's not coherent and if it's coherent, it's not irrelevant. Your questions were the latter. They weren't difficult; they were irrelevant and not even related to anything I said.
Again, if I ask I question in response to someone, I don't mind if other people answer, but not you. Just stop it. You're not a logical or coherent poster. The majority of your posts are syntactically mangled tangents, scrambled-brain ravings, like a twitchy squirrel manically jumping from branch to branch. Leave me out of it. I'm not interested.
well i guess i could go that.. but saying so.. you have to admit he was anything but a Prophet, in fact, nothing more than another psychotic lunatic, raving on some street corner, or in some cave. Read the violent, confused and contradictory epistles of the Koran and you would come to the same conclusion.
People of Mecca knows best about its ways and subways - a parable.
Certainly delaying the marriage and allowing the adultery is a very bad thing, under any circumstances.
The Ten Commandments In The Quran
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Back when I was trying to decide if you were an innernet stalker. Other than little entanglements like this one you will notice I pass them all by, as far as replies, I'm pretty sure I did still read them though, is that now a no, no? (no need to reply)
Perhaps you could start a thread.
Perhaps you should be in a private booth rather than at the bar.
Perhaps you could refrain from reading my replies.
Perhaps it would help when a reply by you (that shouldn't even be there) also comes with another one of those ?? things ........ again.
When Paul was covering that 'topic' a believer should distance himself at least as far away as not eating with the 'un-repented sinner' in a Church. A Church that does not expell that same person will be judged to be sinners also
1Co.5:9
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
1Co.5:10
Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world,
or with the covetous,
or extortioners,
or with idolaters;
for then must ye needs go out of the world.
1Co.5:11
But now I have written unto you not to keep company,
if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator,
or covetous,
or an idolater,
or a railer,
or a drunkard,
or an extortioner;
with such an one no not to eat.
1Co.5:12
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without?
do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co.5:13
But them that are without God judgeth.
Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
The general message seems fairly straight forward. All of the 7 Churches have members that need to overcome things if the are to be part of the 1/3 that survive the 1st few hours. It real terms tha means some 50 million Evangelican Christians will not survive the day if their conduct is in opposition to what the NT says it should be. (the difference for them is living outside New Jerusalem rather than inside. Part of the 'not everyone who calls (Jesus) Lord, will be alive for the 1,000 years, some would consider that a big deal. Being a Muslim rather than being a Christian isn't going to alter how Christ will judge them, nor is any nation exempt from coming under judgment (for the better)
You say these words only to convince yourself that Mohammed was a liar and the Quran was bad.
psychotic lunatic ... the disbelievers among his people said the same thing to him (and in fact to all apostles such accusations were said.)
raving in some street corner or in some cave !!?
The violent epistles as you call them were against those who fought him and expelled him from his hometown.
What are such "confused and contradictory epistles of the Quran" that you claim?
This confirms my post #73 in the thread :The witness to Jesus. That the most severe in emity and hatred to Mohammed and the Islam are Jews and idolaters.
Who murdered any kids in Canada except the two wing nuts? The one in Merit and the one in Quatsino total 9 between them.
I thought that was only with eurotrash royalty.
then there are the catholics that seem to prefer little boys to little girls although many preachers tend to like anything under 10.
It will lead to the lineage be unknown: none may recognize his father, neither a father may recognize his son. This leads to breakdown of the family ties.
And another thing you may not believe: The marriage is the sexual acts (and other things) according to God's religion; while the adultery is unlawful because it is not according to God's religion. I.e. it is according to God's allowance that he and she are wife and husband and their offspring and their inheritance from their fathers and to their sons.
Moreover, it is God that makes their father lawful for their mother and the children grow know their lawful father and mother, and their rights and their duties.
E.g. I saw an American movie
The mother is divorced or her husband died, then she had a boyfriend (actually a man-friend about 50 years: he lives with the family: he is not their father but the adulterer of their mother)
The girl came back home: she was not married yet about 30 years: she had a date with a boy-friend: the date means the relation in bed: the adultery, then each one left his partner, the girl returned to her family: the man-friend of her mother asked her: Haven't you yet gotten a boyfriend ? the girl answered : Yes I have just had a date.
The mother was glad that her daughter was fu****, the man-friend was glad and they congratulated her.
Then the new adulterer was discovered to have other relations ... and so on
You are just jealous that you can't get away with that sort of fun and frivolity in your country.It will lead to the lineage be unknown: none may recognize his father, neither a father may recognize his son. This leads to breakdown of the family ties.
And another thing you may not believe: The marriage is the sexual acts (and other things) according to God's religion; while the adultery is unlawful because it is not according to God's religion. I.e. it is according to God's allowance that he and she are wife and husband and their offspring and their inheritance from their fathers and to their sons.
Moreover, it is God that makes their father lawful for their mother and the children grow know their lawful father and mother, and their rights and their duties.
E.g. I saw an American movie
The mother is divorced or her husband died, then she had a boyfriend (actually a man-friend about 50 years: he lives with the family: he is not their father but the adulterer of their mother)
The girl came back home: she was not married yet about 30 years: she had a date with a boy-friend: the date means the relation in bed: the adultery, then each one left his partner, the girl returned to her family: the man-friend of her mother asked her: Haven't you yet gotten a boyfriend ? the girl answered : Yes I have just had a date.
The mother was glad that her daughter was fu****, the man-friend was glad and they congratulated her.
Then the new adulterer was discovered to have other relations ... and so on
You are just jealous that you can't get away with that sort of fun and frivolity in your country.
I am not jealous of you and your country. Either you or I a devil or follower of Satan?
I often wonder, will Muslims ever achieve a level where they can promote peace and freedom for all mankind or will they be always religated to being just oppressors of freedom and a religion that wants domination of all societies.
I think they will always be viewed as just a boil on the ass of all societies !!
I think they will always be viewed as just a boil on the ass of all societies !!