Injustice: Prince of Pot Denied Transfer to Cdn Jail

DaSleeper

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How do you feel about people just shooting their guns off and hitting your house?



Execution style or sniper from the top of the barn?
First ...that looks more like a barn window than house window.
Second since we're mixing apples and oranges...I feel about the same way about a law of locking up all dogs because a few will bite people....or making certain breeds illegal...;-)
 

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It was a law in another country that he wan't in when he broke it.

So if a person breaks the law in our Country, but stays in another Country we should not seek justice? If you don't want to end up in a foreign jail don't break laws in foreign lands.

I'd go a bit deeper on this Unf, but I'm going to lunch with my brother in Kamloops.

Tata!:smile:
 

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Is that why some Canadians will head to the Far East when the want a brothel that serves up what would be a minor or a child in Canada?
 

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'Prince of Pot' denied move to Canada
By KRISTY BROWNLEE, QMI Agency
Last Updated: April 16, 2011 4:21am


Marc Emery lights up a marijuana cigarette in front of the London Ontario police headquarters in this Aug. 26, 2003 file photo. (Morris Lamont, QMI Agency)
Canada's "Prince of Pot" has been denied a prison transfer back to Canada and will likely serve his entire sentence in the United States.

Vancouver resident Marc Emery was sentenced to five years in prison after pleading guilty in the U.S. on May 24 for selling marijuana seeds online to Americans.
He sold the seeds online? So, where was he when he sold the seeds? If in Canada, then he'd broken no US law, but Canadian laws, in which case the US has no jurisdiction in the case. Can anyone elaborate on that?

Kirk Tousaw, his Vancouver lawyer, said the Canadian consulate advised Emery, 53, on Friday that he was denied a transfer to Canada by U.S. authorities due to the "seriousness of the offence" and "law enforcement concerns."

Tousaw said the U.S. Department of Justice confirmed the decision, but did not elaborate on the reasons for the decision.
Emery is eligible to reapply for a transfer to a Canadian prison in two years, Tousaw said.
Now if the crime wree committed in the US (if he was physically in the US when he sold the seeds, then US law applies and so the US has no obligation to send him back to Canada).

Emery's wife, Jodie, 26, said she is "devastated."

"This is pretty shocking to think he will have to serve 85 to 100% of his sentence in the U.S., when people right now are legally selling marijuana seeds in the U.S.," she said. "The irony is upsetting."

Whether it's legal now or not is irrelevant. If it was illegal at the time he did it, then he's guilty as per the laws at the time.
 

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Is that why some Canadians will head to the Far East when the want a brothel that serves up what would be a minor or a child in Canada?

I'm not sure I understand the the question your asking, but there have been people extradited to other places for just that. As an example Gary Glitter.
In November 1997, Glitter was arrested after pornographic images of children were discovered on the hard drive of a Toshiba laptop that he had taken to the Bristol Cribbs Causeway branch of PC World for repair. As a result, he was castigated in the media over the allegations. Additionally, his appearance in the Spice Girls' film Spiceworld The Movie was cut. Nevertheless, a truncated edit of the scene, featuring a version of Glitter's "I'm the Leader of the Gang (I Am)", was still included in the film. In the months before his conviction, he thanked audiences for their support at his last show before his trial.
In 1999, Glitter was sentenced to four months' imprisonment and listed as a sex offender in the UK following conviction for downloading thousands of items of child pornography.[6]
He was also charged with having sex with an underage girl, Alison Brown, around 20 years earlier, when she was 14 years old. She had had a relationship with Glitter for some years.[20] Glitter was acquitted of this charge after it emerged that Brown had sold her story to the News of the World and stood to earn more money from the newspaper should Glitter be convicted.[21]
Following a rejection by the British public and facing scrutiny from the press following his arrest and conviction, Gary Glitter fled on his yacht to Spain. Upon being discovered there, he set sail again, ultimately travelling to Gibraltar, Cuba, Mexico, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Colombia, Portugal, Brazil, Venezuela, and Thailand, before settling in Cambodia.
[edit] Southeast Asia

[edit] Cambodia

Glitter lived in Cambodia until 2002, when he was permanently deported from there to Vietnam,[22] due to suspected child sexual abuse.[23]
[edit] Vietnam underage sex conviction

From March 2005, Glitter resided in Vũng Tàu, Vietnam. In late 2005, at age 61, Gary Glitter was arrested by Vietnamese authorities and charged with molesting two underaged girls, aged 10 and 11, at his home in Vũng Tàu.[24] He initially faced possible child rape charges carrying the death penalty, but prosecutors did not find enough evidence for those charges, so Glitter was instead tried for lesser child sexual abuse charges. Early in 2006, he was convicted of committing obscene acts with minors and sentenced to three years imprisonment.[24] On one of two appeals, in 2007 this was reduced by three months. He was released from prison on 19 August 2008 and returned to London three days later, after being refused entry into Thailand and Hong Kong.
Arrest and trial

Despite having applied for permanent residence in Vietnam, Gary Glitter fled his home on 12 November 2005. Three days later, he was arrested in Ho Chi Minh City while trying to board a flight to Thailand. Six Vietnamese females, aged from 11 to 23, claimed that Glitter had had sex with them; the age of consent in Vietnam is 18.[25]


Now the comeback of course is that pedophilia is not the same as selling seeds, and I agree. But the law; however you might disagree is still the law. You can call for change, you can do anything you want inside the law to to try and affect change, but if you break the law you face the consequences.
 

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I'm not sure I understand the the question your asking, but there have been people extradited to other places for just that. As an example Gary Glitter.
They are now starting to be arrested over there and time is served in their prisons, a very good step as far as I'm concerned.
 

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I'm against serious time for victimless crimes. Pedophilia has victims and serious long-term consequences. I support punishing people who operate a vehicle under the influence or distributing to children.

Current marijuana possession laws are more harmful to society and the individual than smoking marijuana... which indicates a problem with the law.

Jail time is expensive and interferes with the ability of people to contribute to society.

Marijuana is not as serious a health risk as alcohol or tobacco.
 

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First ...that looks more like a barn window than house window.
Second since we're mixing apples and oranges...I feel about the same way about a law of locking up all dogs because a few will bite people....or making certain breeds illegal...;-)

Read the article, he pulled a slug out of his bedroom wall. Just out of curiosity, would it make a big difference if he was walking past his bedroom window and got shot versus walking bast his barn window and getting shot?

But you didn't answer the question I asked. Do you think it should be within his rights to go and shoot at the people who are using that area as a target range? Or is it different than the guy who had his house fire bombed?

So if a person breaks the law in our Country, but stays in another Country we should not seek justice? If you don't want to end up in a foreign jail don't break laws in foreign lands.

I'd go a bit deeper on this Unf, but I'm going to lunch with my brother in Kamloops.

Tata!:smile:

Have a good trip mate and tell him I said hello. :smile:

But since you're still here at the posting of this I'll respond to the point you raise.
If someone enters that country, fine fair game. But if that country claims they broke the laws of that country without entering it whole different ball game.

Demonstrating against the Chinese government is illegal in China. Should we extradite all people who demonstrate in front of the Chinese embassy here if they ask? How about satellite programming viewed in Canada that is against the law according to the CRTC? Shall we start the proceedings against American networks?

Best of all here is a nice local stupid law, that is being broken even though it's been upheld.

http://www.healthzone.ca/health/newsfeatures/article/977389--dentists-flout-stupid-law-that-treats-them-as-sex-abusers?bn=1

The law is the law so sex offender registry, loss of license and prison for how many years do you figure?
 
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DaSleeper

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Read the article, he pulled a slug out of his bedroom wall. Just out of curiosity, would it make a big difference if he was walking past his bedroom window and got shot versus walking bast his barn window and getting shot?

But you didn't answer the question I asked. Do you think it should be within his rights to go and shoot at the people who are using that area as a target range? Or is it different than the guy who had his house fire bombed?
I think he would be within his rights to shoot back at the original person at the time the shot was fired and he can see the perp doing the deed.....the same way Mr. thompson fired his weapon while they were throwing the molotovs.
Going shooting after the fact is revenge not self defence.....good try though;-)
 

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I'm against serious time for victimless crimes. Pedophilia has victims and serious long-term consequences. I support punishing people who operate a vehicle under the influence or distributing to children.

Me too.

Current marijuana possession laws are more harmful to society and the individual than smoking marijuana... which indicates a problem with the law.

I agree.

Jail time is expensive and interferes with the ability of people to contribute to society.

Yup sure is.

Marijuana is not as serious a health risk as alcohol or tobacco.

I'd agree on the Tobbaco, but alcohol, not so sure.
 

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Marc Emery is still rotting in US jails.
Emery's wife, Jodie, 26, said she is "devastated."

"This is pretty shocking to think he will have to serve 85 to 100% of his sentence in the U.S., when people right now are legally selling marijuana seeds in the U.S.," she said. "The irony is upsetting."

Jodie said with good behaviour Emery could be released after serving 85% of his sentence.
He is currently in Oklahoma City awaiting transfer to a medium-security federal prison in Mississippi.

What is such a big deal about Marc Emery serving time in a American jail. He broke a American law and was locked up. Could be worse he could be in a Mexican jail. Canada has no rights to him. His problem is he got caught, who knows how long he was doing it. Jodie has yet to learn that life is not fair.
 

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I think he would be within his rights to shoot back at the original person at the time the shot was fired and he can see the perp doing the deed.....the same way Mr. thompson fired his weapon while they were throwing the molotovs.
Going shooting after the fact is revenge not self defence.....good try though;-)

This is where the problem is with gun culture. You guys seem to think it's your right to go shoot people. It isn't. He did what he should do as a law abiding citizen and called the police. Pity the quality of police officers these days means they won't do anything until some higher up is embarrassed in the paper and gives the order to sort out the problem of people shooting up his farm.

At no point does any of it amount to starting a fire fight with some goofs out holding their own target practice session.

The same goes for silencing political voices. If they have a point, like Emery does, simply tossing the person in jail won't silence the voice. The message still carries on. Cannabis seed sales to the US still happen without a hitch and people who need to get quality Cannabis to help relieve their suffering still get it.

Something I don't understand is why the few of you here are glad to pay the money to process his arrest, extradition and various court costs.

The laws will eventually change and Cannabis will be decriminalized and the only thing that is relevant is that taxes will go to fund the process until it's over. Why is that easier then getting off the couch and demanding change now?

I'd agree on the Tobbaco, but alcohol, not so sure.

"A causal association has been established between alcohol consumption and cancers of the oral cavity, pharynx, larynx, oesophagus, liver, colon, rectum, and, in women, breast; an association is suspected for cancers of the pancreas and lung. "

Alcohol and cancer : The Lancet Oncology

Alcohol causes Cancer. Cannabis doesn't.
 

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I heard a report fairly recenting stating pot does cause lung cancer. Pot can also set off bi-polar disorder, apparently.