Nearly all drug trials scientifically invalid
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I'd rather reference available material than to deal in fantasy material like you
Fantasy material is fine if you're selling homeopathic remedies, or buying them.
A good thing too. Imagine if you had to listen to Beaver at the lectern for eternity? No washroom breaks either.
I'd rather reference available material than to deal in fantasy material like you
Fantasy material is fine if you're selling homeopathic remedies, or buying them.
No, fantasy is not required for real homeopathic remedies. Most of them were used long before we had MDs. Can't say the same for concoctions pushed by Big Pharma.
Why does this have to be another polarized subject? Some of the stuff Big Pharma cranks out has its use. Not all mind you. A lot of it is poison. But any good health regime should include natural vitamins and herbal remedies,. Since my congestive heart failure, I have been doing both. I have tried to wean myself off the pharmaceuticals but going completely natural has not been very successful.
What really irks me is that Big Pharma uses such underhanded tactics (ala Monsanto) to eliminate the competition from natural remedies by lobbying for unfair laws and restrictions. I never used drugs after my heart attacks and survived quite nicely for 12 years or more. It is ignorant to say natural remedies have no value but it is also ignorant to say Big Pharma is a complete scam too.
What really irks me is that Big Pharma uses such underhanded tactics (ala Monsanto) to eliminate the competition from natural remedies by lobbying for unfair laws and restrictions. I never used drugs after my heart attacks and survived quite nicely for 12 years or more. It is ignorant to say natural remedies have no value but it is also ignorant to say Big Pharma is a complete scam too.
You should only take vitamins if your diet is deficient. There's illnesses associated with overuse of some vitamins, and herbal remedies can also lead to illness.
Unfair laws and restrictions? If you want to sell something to someone, and claim that it can aid their health, you better be able to prove it. Ironic in a thread that was spawned from placebo studies that now herbal remedies shouldn't also be held to a standard of efficacy.
Unfair laws and restrictions? If you want to sell something to someone, and claim that it can aid their health, you better be able to prove it. Ironic in a thread that was spawned from placebo studies that now herbal remedies shouldn't also be held to a standard of efficacy.
Most people do their homework and know what they need to help in the healing process of what ails them. They purchase remedies that they have used that have proven to work for them, remedies that have been proven over millennium of use. Big Pharma has been around for possibly 100 years yet they seek to monopolize the market. Sorry, but you are farting in the wind because you have hitched your wagon to allopathic science only.
On the contrary, it is you who is farting in the wind. It only seems to you to be this way because the majority of threads in this place relating to pharmaceuticals are started by cranks who say very silly things, so I don't often have the occasion to argue the other side. There's plenty of natural remedies which have been studied and shown to be effective, I don't call them alternative therapies, because they're now mainstream. There's evidence that zinc improves recovery time from the common cold.
But, I do draw the line at things which are not good advice. It's not a good idea to take supplemental vitamins if you don't need them. Like most other things, they can be toxic when in excess.
And some commonly sold natural cures that are sold without any quality control, or without proper efficacy evaluation have been shown to cause illness...they should be able to show that they are safe, and to list side effects, and show that they can produce consistent batches. That is not at all an unreasonable set of expectancies for products with claims on improving health.
Big Pharma, what about Big Naturopath...it's a billion dollar industry to sell vitamins, minerals, and other supplementals. Of course they don't want to be as heavilly regulated as pharmaceuticals...
Actually, it is. There's nothing in real homeopathic remedies, they've been diluted down so much there's almost certain to be no active ingredient left.
I agree that supplements should not be taken unless needed. I only take them if I get sick, which is a sure indicator that something is missing or present in inadequate amounts. I also do my research and have been for more than forty years. I know what works for me and if I don't I find out. But I know that not that many people take responsibility for their own health. Relying on others for our health is to avoid our responsibility. I don't care which modality a person is trained in, they are just there to give advice. It is up to the individual to research whether or not that advice is worth taking.
Actually you don't have to prove it anymore you just have to buy the judges and the legislation then you can sell all the viox and celebrex you want, and in many courts you are immune from prosecution now. Modern science has solved that problem as well. I suppose you also believe in silly old ideas like truth in advertising.
With respect to homeopathic dilutions the active ingredient (water memory) is unrecognized by the hardcore materialist.
Water Science:
Water has three phases – gas, liquid, and solid; but recent findings from our laboratory imply the presence of a surprisingly extensive fourth phase that occurs at interfaces. This finding may have unexpectedly profound implication for chemistry, physics and biology.