...Correction, the War-Criminal Bush created that war, Obama's just the guy who was left the job of cleaning up his mess..... but if Obama truly is a Criminal, then you guys have a real problem with letting criminals run your country and have more issues to deal with then any of us...
I don't have as much time as you do so I am going to cut to the chase. Bush can be considered a war criminal. Now we're going to talk about Obama. Obama is a war criminal. Check it out:
UN Special Rapporteur on Extrajudicial Killings, Philip Alston: Record AfPak Drone Attacks Under Obama May Violate International Law
Here is something I wrote awhile back on another forum:
In January 2009 the Smoker in Chief inherited Bush's Afghan adventure. At that time there were about 50,000 US soldiers, marines and airmen in Afghanistan.
In March of 2009 the Smoker in Chief made his first escalation of that war by ordering an additional 17,000 troops into the Afghan meatgrinder (plus an additional 3,000 added almost immediately thereafter). I remember Hillary Clinton standing at the Smoker's right hand and Bob Gates standing at his left hand as the Smoker announced the escalation.
At that moment it became Obama's War. At that moment it became Obama's grand adventure in the Hindu Kush. At that moment all subsequent American deaths, woundings and maimings became solely the responsibility of the Smoker in Chief.
At about the same time Obama named his own man as the commander in Afghanistan. McChrystal. It was this commander who advocated sending even more troops into the meatgrinder and adopting a counterinsurgency policy instead of a counterterrorism approach.
In his speech at West Point last December the Smoker in Chief announced adoption of the McChrystal approach. Obama announced a doubling down escalation...30,000 more troops into the mouth of the meatgrinder while a counterinsurgency policy would be pursued.
Since you are so experienced in combat can you tell me what the consequences will be for American troops in Afghanistan with the adoption of new rules of engagement as part of the counterinsurgency policy? What new rules? The new rules which, among other things, won't permit US combat forces to shoot at the Taliban, or call in air strikes, if civilians are in proximity? It means more American deaths for nothing. More blood on Obama's hands. More blood on your hands in your capacity as his votary.
Americans have nothing to gain by victory, and much to unnecessarily lose by defeat.
Obama also announced at the West Point speech that as these troops marched in they would soon turn around and start marching out pursuant to the timetable for withdrawal that you mention in the portion of your post quoted above.
If you are the person I suspect you may be, you are aware that a counterinsurgency policy takes ten to twelve years in order to succeed. So tell me how the Smoker's commitment to this counterinsurgency policy can possibly be consistent with some amorphous timetable for withdrawal.
The Smoker's timetable for withdrawal is illusory. It depends on the Smoker's allies in Afghanistan. But the Smoker only has one ally in Afghanistan. The ally's name is Hamid Karzai...the guy who threatened to join the Taliban ten days ago...the guy who's brother is a major drug dealer. This will not turn out well and you know it.
This timetable for withdrawal is a sop to the anti-war movement. The anti-war movement is silent now because it is composed solely of partisan hypocrites who would be demonstrating if they weren't partisan hypocrites.
Here is something else I once wrote about Obama:
The concept you face is called Lawfare. The left has successfully used Lawfare. In doing so it established a precedent that is now available to conservatives for use against leftist governance when the left pursues military actions in ambiguous circumstances. Let me give you an example of Lawfare.
Language that is specific cannot be reasonably contested. By contrast, language that is general is subject to differing interpretations. Language that is subject to differing interpretations is called ambiguous. Ambiguity cannot be the basis for ongoing military operations in the current Byzantine legalistic era of Western Civilization. Why? Ambiguity invites legalistic attack which may be successful given the state of American and Western jurisprudence.
The Authorization to which you refer is specifc on Afghanistan, but not about operations anywhere else. That means operations on a more than incidental basis anywhere outside of Afghanistan do not have specific authorization.
In the absence of specific authorization, repeated or ongoing military operations outside of Afghanistan depend on an interpretation of ambiguous language contained in the Authorization. Ambiguous language is usually subject to multiple, and often competing, interpretations of what is lawful and what is not.
Which interpretation is correct can only be known after a panel of judges rule. Actions taken in the absence of specific legal authoriztion carry a heavy risk to the commander called on to act.
If his or her action is subsequently deemed to be unlawful, or ill advised, he or she will be disciplined or otherwise sanctioned. The same thing holds true for leaders who fall into the hands of the international judiciary after they leave office. A future prosecution of Bush would establish a wonderful precedent for the appropriate treatment of Obama. May they swing together.
Since the Authorization didn't specifically mention Iraq, Bush felt it necessary to obtain the explicit permission of Congress before he invaded Iraq. He did so in order to remove the legal ambiguity that comes with ambiguous language that is not specific. For our purposes it doesn't matter whether Bush lied. It only matters that Congress specifically authorized his actions in Iraq.
However, Bush didn't obtain specific authorization for continuing ongoing military operations in Pakistan. Perhaps that's why Bush used robot warfare against the villages of both Waziristans sparingly.
The Smoker in Chief has doubled down and significantly expanded a campaign of death by drone against the civilians of Pakistan. Obama's robot war is not incidental. It is continuous and ongoing. It has expanded to Baluchistan. The impact on many Pakistani villagers is analogous to the impact of Israeli actions on the residents of the West Bank.
Since there is no specific legal authorization containing language that in no uncertain terms permits Obama's military operations on Pakistani territory against Pakistani nationals a basis exists for competing interpretations of legality.
Is Bush or Obama a war criminal? Many would say yes. However, their opinions are subjective and nonbinding. We will only know if Bush or Obama is a war criminal when a duly constituted tribunal obtains jurisdiction and reaches a determination. Only then will we have an objective determination of culpability.
But until judgment is reached Obama, and to a lesser extent Bush, is at risk from the tenets of Lawfare.