One thing's for sure - more Americans have been killed by Bush's war than were killed by Islamists.
One thing's for sure - more Americans have been killed by Bush's war than were killed by Islamists.
Is that anything like retread tires?
Apologies are scarce. At least the twelve year old had that much going for him.
I'll try to stay on topicI'd be out there in the streets for sure. I'd love to see a Canadian revolution (preferably a velvet one) in which we tossed out the monarchy and the unelected senate, limited the power of the PMO and came up with a real democratic constitution and bill of rights. However, our government's inadequacies do not justify the greater, equal or even lesser inadequacies of others. Pointing out the problems with Canadian democracy is irrelevant to the injustices of the Iranian theocracy.
Regimes that are willing to kill their people to preserve power can only be removed when the people have the tools to break the monopoly of violence.
What worked in Tunisia and Egypt may not work in Iran. The tyrants understand the game, so the rules may have to change.19 Jan 2011
Arab League Secretary-General Amr Moussa warned at a summit in Egypt that "the Arab soul is broken by poverty, unemployment and general recession. This is in the mind of all of us. The Tunisian revolution is not far from us. The Arab citizen entered an unprecedented state of anger and frustration." He then called for an Arab "renaissance" to alleviate the burden that has caused the Arab frustration...
...Hosni Mubarak, the Egyptian president for three decades, made no reference to the Tunisian revolt in his opening speech but acknowledged economic development and co-operation had become a national security priority.
CoolSorry, I'm speaking for myself here, not the Canadian government. If you want to claim that I don't have the moral high ground, feel free, but seeing as you don't know anything about me, it might have a tough time. If you want to internalize the policies of other countries and thereby abrogate your own responsible to oppose injustice, that's fine for you but don't say I can't criticize other governments because someone else did something that I don't support.
First I would have to know something about what actions Canada has taken that (in the past on some issue) that you personally find acceptable or not acceptable, I gave you several examples, your view on reservation should be consistent with you view on the rights of the poor in other Nations.I said that nothing Canada has ever done affects my ability to oppose what other governments do. Instead of bringing up other examples of things Canada has done, you should be arguing why those things should deprive me of the ability to take other moral stances.
That's all the abuse you can come up with.....over a time period of SIX YEARS!!!!!!!
Positively benevolent government......
In other words, the people are treated quite well in the United States....relatively speaking.
Now, how about dealing with the subject you have been dodging, the foolish claim you made......
"American government doesn't treat their own people any better than the Iranian government."
Just to help you focus......an iranian Human Rights group says 121 persons were hanged in January in Iran, a country of 75 million, a significant number of which were hanged for political offenses.
4 hanged in the USA in January, after being convicted of murder by a jury of their peers, and having exhausted all their extensive appeals.
First I would have to know something about what actions Canada has taken that (in the past on some issue) that you personally find acceptable or not acceptable, I gave you several examples, your view on reservation should be consistent with you view on the rights of the poor in other Nations.
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It does take one with the mind of a 12 year old to accuse someone of using insults when he didn't but then resort to using insults herself while refusing to retract. Therefore, it is no surprise that there was no retraction.
121 persons hanged in Iran vs the U.S's 2.3 million prison population in dire conditions, many of whom are non-violent drug offenders
When 'we' Canadians start offering 'pros/cons' on foreign Nations practices I like to know something about the 'platform' that is ready to offer such 'insight'. Some of what our common past in belonging to Canada is not that 'noble', if given the chance a different path would be more suitable to the long term goal. (ie instead of breaking apart families the women and young would be given trips to various land in the world and then when back home their stories would be combined to give all members of the newly conquered land a detailed and accurate vies of just who their new 'masters' were. So far Iraq and Afghanistan are going to be mirrors of the wild, wild, west. Once they were boxed up and disarmed the true torture started, ie starvation in winter ended up taking out the older more knowledgeable members and the very young. Once at that stage there is no need for speed as over generations the abuse will have the desired effect, a beaten and forgotten people are no longer around for any intensive purposes.But, you seem to be insisting that either I am making such arguments or that I should be and that they aren't ridiculous. So I'll rephrase my earlier question: why is my opinion on other unrelated matters relevant to the veracity of my opinion of Iran?
That is part of the agenda against them. Times change also, when Iraq was conquered 20 people standing around a statues being toppled was a 'huge gathering', now a full city center and all side streets is a 'modest turnout' depending which channel you watch.How come our own protestors go ignored?
I was trying to see if any such opinion (an I have yet to read any that are specific) you have is balanced in that it would apply to conduct in all Nations rather that Muslims have one standard, Christians another, and Judaism yet another.
A few pages ago it was idle curiosity, now it is a toss-up between quest and being caught by an innernet stalker.. .. twice this week so far and the weekend is still coming.Why?
Retraction:
Previously I stated that posters in this thread had the option of being asses on the internet or engaging in a civil debate. In my annoyance with the behaviour of others in this thread I hastily posted a false dichotomy. There are more options, such as not posting at all, or making jokes like the one poster did about the igloo. And there still may be more I haven't thought of.
To clarify what I meant by my comment: I will not respond to people who want to be asses on the internet. However, by not responding to you, I am not suggesting that you are being an ass. I just might not have anything to say or not care to address a tangential point. There are many kinds of posts I am liable to not respond to. Rude ones are one of those kinds.
A few pages ago it was idle curiosity, now it is a toss-up between quest and being caught by an innernet stalker.. .. twice this week so far and the weekend is still coming.
The protest in Iran get very good coverage the protests in the rest of the world go unheralded as the monumental events they are. In there stead we get rubbish scripted in some stinking think tank in Washingthebloodoffington.
Fair enough.You can learn my opinions on those issues when they come up in other threads.
If you expanded that 'coverage' to be the last few years (upto 5) I would think the articles from the US and Israel about Iran would far outnumber what they have to say about the 3 Nations you mention.I've seen more coverage of the protests in Bahrain than those in Iran. Lots about Yemen and some about Libya too.
If you expanded that 'coverage' to be the last few years (upto 5) I would think the articles from the US and Israel about Iran would far outnumber what they have to say about the 3 Nations you mention.