Was Jesus a Socialist?

[earth_as_one]

I consider myself a socialist. But if I could turn water into wine and feed the multitudes with a few fish and loaves of bread, I'm not so certain I'd give it away for free. Jesus could have made a fortune off his miracles.

Just a jab at those who believe in Jesus, but hate socialism. But I'm curious as an agnostic how socialist hating Christians can reconcile the obvious belief system contradiction? Could someone enlighten me?

 

[In Between Man]

I consider myself a socialist. But if I could turn water into wine and feed the multitudes with a few fish and loaves of bread, I'm not so certain I'd give it away for free. Jesus could have made a fortune off his miracles.

Just a jab at those who believe in Jesus, but hate socialism. But I'm curious as an agnostic how right socialist hating Christians can reconcile the obvious contradiction. Could someone enlighten me?

Jesus was not a socialist because socialism is man trying to meet his own needs without God! And that's not what Jesus did! He relied on God the Father for everything!!! Socialism eliminates God, that's undeniable because he's not in the picture of how socialism works. Its a man made plan, not God's plan and Jesus did the will of his Father in heaven.

Jesus would never want one man to supply another man with some type of provision. God is your provider and his resources are infinite! There's more than enough to go around so that everyone can have abundance. Notice how everyone in that miracle was fed? No one had to "lose" to help support a brother or sister. God miraculously multiplied the food. His ways are infinitely higher than any man-made philosophy.

Jesus was not a socialist.

 

[Cliffy]

Jesus was an anarchist. He said the path is narrow. Life is a personal journey. Every one of us must find our own way home. He railed against the capitalists and the self righteous.

 

[earth_as_one]

Jesus was not a socialist because socialism is man trying to meet his own needs without God! And that's not what Jesus did! He relied on God the Father for everything!!! Socialism eliminates God, that's undeniable because he's not in the picture of how socialism works. Its a man made plan, not God's plan and Jesus did the will of his Father in heaven.

Jesus would never want one man to supply another man with some type of provision. God is your provider and his resources are infinite! There's more than enough to go around so that everyone can have abundance. Notice how everyone in that miracle was fed? No one had to "lose" to help support a brother or sister. God miraculously multiplied the food. His ways are infinitely higher than any man-made philosophy.

Jesus was not a socialist.

How much did Jesus charge for the wine and bread then? What was the price of admission to attend one of his sermons? Were these things free for the benefit of society, and therefore socialism???? His actions and teachings certainly doesn't sound like the actions of a free market capitalist.

I'm assuming you see the contradiction between your beliefs????

If Jesus really wanted to throw a socialist party he would have made it a potluck.

 

[Corduroy]

If Jesus really wanted to throw a socialist party he would have made it a potluck.

 

[earth_as_one]

Socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources. A socialist society is a social structure organized on the basis of relatively equal power-relations, self-management, dispersed decision-making (adhocracy) and a reduction or elimination of hierarchical and bureaucratic forms of administration and governance; the extent of which varies in different types of socialism. This ranges from the establishment of cooperative management structures in the economy to the abolition of all hierarchical structures in favor of free association.
Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nothing about not believing or disbelieving in God.

 

[Cliffy]

If Jesus really wanted to throw a socialist party he would have made it a potluck.

That is funny. We have a community potluck every month and most parties we go to are potluck. But then it is well known that the Kootenays are full of socialists.

Socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources. A socialist society is a social structure organized on the basis of relatively equal power-relations, self-management, dispersed decision-making (adhocracy) and a reduction or elimination of hierarchical and bureaucratic forms of administration and governance; the extent of which varies in different types of socialism. This ranges from the establishment of cooperative management structures in the economy to the abolition of all hierarchical structures in favor of free association.
Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nothing about not believing or disbelieving in God.

Does God believe in a god? Is God a socialist, capitalist or commie?

 

[Rene2]

I consider myself a socialist. But if I could turn water into wine and feed the multitudes with a few fish and loaves of bread, I'm not so certain I'd give it away for free. Jesus could have made a fortune off his miracles.

Just a jab at those who believe in Jesus, but hate socialism. But I'm curious as an agnostic how socialist hating Christians can reconcile the obvious belief system contradiction? Could someone enlighten me?

I don't think you can pin Jesus down into any social party ...... I read an interesting depiction of Jesus in a book I found in a used book store years ago The book was called "Jesus in bad company" , I liked the way the author portrayed him , I highly recomend this book

Amazon.com: Jesus in Bad Company (9780380000227): Adolf Holl: Books

 

[JLM]

I consider myself a socialist. But if I could turn water into wine and feed the multitudes with a few fish and loaves of bread, I'm not so certain I'd give it away for free. Jesus could have made a fortune off his miracles.

Just a jab at those who believe in Jesus, but hate socialism. But I'm curious as an agnostic how socialist hating Christians can reconcile the obvious belief system contradiction? Could someone enlighten me?

Who cares?

 

[earth_as_one]

Who cares?

If you don't like the topic then don't post.

I don't think you can pin Jesus down into any social party ...... I read an interesting depiction of Jesus in a book I found in a used book store years ago The book was called "Jesus in bad company" , I liked the way the author portrayed him , I highly recomend this book

Amazon.com: Jesus in Bad Company (9780380000227): Adolf Holl: Books

Without giving away the dramatic plot twist, can you give me an example of some of the bad company Jesus kept?

When someone asks me if I read the bible, my smart ass reply is,"No I didn't, but I saw the movie. Didn't it star Charlton Heston?"

I'm curious where in the political spectrum people would peg Jesus's political beliefs and why?

I think Jesus was a socialist because he shared his many gifts for the benefit of mankind rather than used them acquire personal wealth.

Examples of famous Socialists from moderate to extreme
Gene Roddenberry (Star Trek portrays a socialist utopia)
Tommy Douglas (old age pension, medicare)
Hugo Chavez (social justice, increased taxes on wealthy and corporations)
Ernest Hemingway (For Whom the Bell Tolls)
Che Guevera (The Motorcycle Diaries)

 

[Corduroy]

I think Jesus was a socialist because he shared his many gifts for the benefit of mankind rather than used them acquire personal wealth.

Is this all it takes to be a socialist? Seems overly simplified when compared to the definition of socialism you provided earlier.

Socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources. A socialist society is a social structure organized on the basis of relatively equal power-relations, self-management, dispersed decision-making (adhocracy) and a reduction or elimination of hierarchical and bureaucratic forms of administration and governance; the extent of which varies in different types of socialism. This ranges from the establishment of cooperative management structures in the economy to the abolition of all hierarchical structures in favor of free association.
Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Does Jesus support equal power-relations, self-management, dispersed decision-making and the elimination of hierarchies?

 

[Chiliagon]

I consider myself a socialist. But if I could turn water into wine and feed the multitudes with a few fish and loaves of bread, I'm not so certain I'd give it away for free. Jesus could have made a fortune off his miracles.

Just a jab at those who believe in Jesus, but hate socialism. But I'm curious as an agnostic how socialist hating Christians can reconcile the obvious belief system contradiction? Could someone enlighten me?

He was Jewish.. and a carpenter's son.. definitely not a Socialist.

that was about 2000 years later.

 

[DaSleeper]

I consider myself a socialist.

That explains everything to me now.....thanx for the heads-up.....

 

[petros]

Jesus was a humanist who liked to point out the failures of the religio-political structure at the time who had turned God's laws into man's laws which then equated to a monetary nature with fines, taxes and levies. The term "paying your debt to society" came from that era. They were the elitist Judean (Magistrate and Judiciary) "society" that over saw the management of the Hebrew people for the Romans.

The "Miracle" of the loaves and fishes was only a few had donated at first but because of that gesture those who had a little extra bread or fish for lunch stashed away while donations were collected shared what they had stashed and what was originally donated turned out to be more than enough if we shared the resources God provided.

 

[darkbeaver]

He was Jewish.. and a carpenter's son.. definitely not a Socialist.

that was about 2000 years later.

Judean frum Judea

 

[petros]

Judean frum Judea

He was a Nazarene that spoke Aramaic.

 

[darkbeaver]

Right ,he was living in Judea and belonged to the Nazarene party and he spoke Aramaic.

 

[Trotz]

Jesus was obviously a Nazi,
"perfect aryan specimen"

 

[earth_as_one]

Is this all it takes to be a socialist? Seems overly simplified when compared to the definition of socialism you provided earlier.
Does Jesus support equal power-relations, self-management, dispersed decision-making and the elimination of hierarchies?

Jesus embraced a hierarchy. He had authority over subordinate disciples. He in turn was subordinate to his father's will.

Decision making seemed shared but Jesus's decisions were authoritative.

Jesus never threatened Rome or called for the overthrow of Rome.

He was Jewish.. and a carpenter's son.. definitely not a Socialist.

that was about 2000 years later.

Albert Einstein was socialist and Jewish:
Why Socialism? - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Even the most socialist countries have carpenters.

Jesus was a humanist who liked to point out the failures of the religio-political structure at the time who had turned God's laws into man's laws which then equated to a monetary nature with fines, taxes and levies. The term "paying your debt to society" came from that era. They were the elitist Judean (Magistrate and Judiciary) "society" that over saw the management of the Hebrew people for the Romans.

The "Miracle" of the loaves and fishes was only a few had donated at first but because of that gesture those who had a little extra bread or fish for lunch stashed away while donations were collected shared what they had stashed and what was originally donated turned out to be more than enough if we shared the resources God provided.

Cool.

A class system existed. But Jesus lived on charity. The only time he mingled with the absolute elite was during detention.

 

[petros]

Albert Einstein was socialist and Jewish:

His brother Frank made golem and he was married to Shelly.

Cool.

A class system existed. But Jesus lived on charity. The only time he mingled with the absolute elite was during detention.

Nope, when a kid too when he baffled the bull****ters in the temple after beetling off for a few days freaking out his poor mother.