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Maybe us deniers should hire a PR firm like Edelman to push the "calling bullshi*t" agenda. Lay a few million out to do public perspective models and use that knowledge to sway how people think and behave.

A few storybooks for kids about how scams work handed out to school libraries will help the adolescents and MTV spots saying ' It's okay to not have to wear a sweater and slippers and to crank that thermostat to "hot" and walk around in your gonch and free gasoline powered G4s for the gadget crowd.

Screw being the one to sort out the valuable garbage to take tot he curb in a giant plastic blue tub. Use your blue box to do oil changes or something useful instead of doing the dirt work and not getting paid.
 

darkbeaver

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When the planet don't get enough current from the sun the magnetic pole starts to drift because the field describing it weakens a bit this distorts the planetary liquid sphere which distorts the planets crust here and there, volcanism increases land goes up and other land goes down sometimes by ten thousand feet per minute, a ten kilometer high wall of water sloshes back and forth for awhile and scrubs the whole thing clean. Everything dies except the lucky and the informed, like Noah, he had connections.

Time and space preclude my going on and on with the boring scientific and mathmagical details right now. (insert grin) It looks like a very very bad time for real estate deals right now with the exception of concrete executive class bunkers way above sea level.

Maybe us deniers should hire a PR firm like Edelman to push the "calling bullshi*t" agenda. Lay a few million out to do public perspective models and use that knowledge to sway how people think and behave.

A few storybooks for kids about how scams work handed out to school libraries will help the adolescents and MTV spots saying ' It's okay to not have to wear a sweater and slippers and to crank that thermostat to "hot" and walk around in your gonch and free gasoline powered G4s for the gadget crowd.

Screw being the one to sort out the valuable garbage to take tot he curb in a giant plastic blue tub. Use your blue box to do oil changes or something useful instead of doing the dirt work and not getting paid.

I understand they are carbon neutral you know. Kids is their most precious resource you know.
 
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Tonington

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You'd almost think the ice cap were on the move toward Russia wouldn't ya?

I wander what could do that?

The ice cap expands towards Canada, the USA, Greenland, Norway, Iceland, and Russia every year. It's called winter you doofus.

But let's hear your crackpot theory.
 

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If it so crackpot why is your tax money funding research into it?
No, you're confused. Your explanation is what is crack pot. I'm sure you're misrepresenting the research. Just like you were with the aircraft contrails.

Give us your spin, and then post a research paper published using our tax money.
 

Tonington

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Read closer. I posted a hypothetical you dumb f*ck.

Yes, I'm aware troll. Again, it's your interpretation that is crack pot. That has no bearing on whether or not research is conducted on a subject.

Back on subject, 2010, record ice loss in Greenland as measured by the GRACE satellites:
 

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NOAA’s State of the Climate is a good place to check back on from time to time, as they post monthly, as well annual data, in friendly, readable form.

Per NOAA:

Warmer-than-average temperatures occurred during 2010 for most of the world’s surface. The warmest annual above-average temperatures occurred throughout the high latitude regions of the Northern Hemisphere, Canada, Alaska, the lower North Atlantic Ocean, the Middle East, eastern Europe, and northern Africa. Temperatures were notably cooler across the Southern oceans, most of the eastern Pacific Ocean, western Scandinavia, part of central Russia, and parts of Australia.

Note, red dots are warm ANOMALIES, blue dots are cold ANOMALIES – not indications of absolute temp. It means, “Was it warmer, or cooler, for the year, as compared to the average for 1971 – 2000? The continued polar amplification is obvious, but most of the planet seemed to be visibly warmer, in spite of the cooling la nina, which is visible in the blue area off the west coast of South America.

More here.
 

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YouTube - Greenland Ice Sheet Mass Changes, 2003-2009 [HD]

The mass changes of the Greenland Ice Sheet (GIS) are computed from the Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (GRACE) inter-satellite range-rate observations for the period April 5, 2003 – July 25, 2009. The mass of the GIS has been computed at 10-day intervals and 200km spatial resolution from a regional high-resolution mascon solution (Luthcke and others, 2008 and 2006). The animation shows the change in mass referenced from April 5, 2003. The spatial variation in surface mass is shown in centimeters equivalent height of water. The time variation of the GIS mass is shown in the x-y plot insert with units of Gigatons.
credit: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center Scientific Visualization Studio

OK, that’s the geekspeak description. But in plain english, how do we know? What are the Grace Satellites? Heidi Cullen explains below.

YouTube - How Do We Know: Greenland's Melting Ice Sheet

The Grace satellite has been a powerful tool for weighing and measuring ice sheet changes north and south, as the indispensable The Way Things Break has discussed. Some of the most recent published research has noted:
Dynamic thinning of glaciers now reaches all latitudes in Greenland, has intensified on key Antarctic grounding lines, has endured for decades after ice-shelf collapse, penetrates far into the interior of each ice sheet and is spreading as ice shelves thin by ocean-driven melt.



Original paper here. Check Things Break for the discussion part 1 and part 2.
I like this video of scientists climbing into a roaring Greenland Moulin. Climate deniers claim that greenhouse science comes from climate models and computers. You’ll never see armchair critics like Anthony Watts, Lord Monckton or James Delingpole climbing down the lip of a roaring Greenland Moulin. This is science as it’s really practiced.

YouTube - Must see video of Greenland melting (2009.02.20)
 

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petros

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Tundra doesn't release meeethane while thawing it releases it when it freezes. No matter how much global climate warming change people pump CO2 up their asses they will never stop it from freezing in the northern latitudes.
 

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This methane comes from a gargantuan lake that is pretty hard to miss if you actually watch the video.. not from tundra. It has nothing to do with the annual natural methane cycle that comes every winter in the arctic due to frozen tundra.
 
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petros

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This methane comes from a gargantuan lake that is pretty hard to miss if you actually watch the video.. not from tundra. It has nothing to do with the annual natural methane cycle that comes every winter in the arctic due to frozen tundra.
Lets go ice fishing on Lake Diefenbaker and we can do the same.

Or pick a slough any slough or even Ontario muskeg.