Criticism of Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity is not Anti-Semitism
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For those of you that are thin skinned batflaps, that can't handle the titles you have richly earned, like neo Nazi supporter, Joo hater, and so on, you may want to read up on the difference between criticism and demonization.
That's objective criticism. Based on the facts that have been collected over years of it taking place. This doesn't make Israeli defense policy Nazi like, there's no genocidal thoughts involved. It's simply a misguided idea that their actions will be a deterrent.
If you want to argue cultural genocide, Arabs are free in Israel, go figure.
If you want to talk settlements, Palestinians are free to stay, they are not pushed out of disputed territories.
There is a monumental difference between legitimate criticism and demonization.
What the usual suspects here, do, is demonize Israel at every opportunity. Any piece of "fact", no matter how flimsy, how anecdotal, how biased, how shaking, how dishonest, so long as it paints Israel in a bad light. It is the gospels truth.
Where anything that counters it, disproves it, shows it to be false, or lacking credibility, is just Israeli propaganda, reported by Jewish controlled media, and spoon fed to shills.
That is demonization and bigotry to a "T".
Those here that obviously feel hurt by the labels they have so richly earned, such as EAO, who is one of the most prolific bigots in my books. Who supports neo Nazism with his diatribes about how honest Hamas is, and how the Hezbollah are freedom fighters. Dismisses anything that sheds a bad light on his hero's or his stories. Has preferred to lower himself to accusing his detractors of being frauds, because he's been labeled by them as a bigot and supporter of neo Nazism, complete with the evidence needed to do so. Now feels the need to try and lower any criticism of his prolific, misguided and lopsided accounting of atrocities, to attacks on anyone that criticizes Israel.
This too is demonization.
He can't hide behind the lies anymore, his stories have had so many holes punched in them, you can drive aid convoys through them now.
You aren't a bigot, or a neo Nazi supporter, or anti semitic because you criticize Israel EAO. You're all those things and more because you do it disproportionately, while ignoring anything that proves your bigotry wrong.
That is the very definition of bigotry.
I don't call you a bigot to shut you down, or silence you. That's your goal, with claims of libel, stalking and fraud. I believe in free speech. I want to hear your opinions. I want people like you out in the light of day, so we can see what you're up to. I didn't label you, you exposed your own true self, with every lie you've reported, every dismissal of fact, every time you've ignored a post you couldn't counter. I call you bigot, neo Nazi support and Joo hater, because that is exactly what your posts tell me you are. And I want unsuspecting people to know that, so your posts can be taken with the truck load of salt they should be.
Now you don't like what you've created and you feel threatened and hurt. You have one person to blame. YOU. Look at yourself and look at what you've said here over the years.
Legitimate criticism of Israel is healthy and appropriate.
But that's not what you do EAO and usual suspects.
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That's objective criticism. Based on the facts that have been collected over years of it taking place. This doesn't make Israeli defense policy Nazi like, there's no genocidal thoughts involved. It's simply a misguided idea that their actions will be a deterrent.
This is demonization. Less people have died, combined forces and civilians, in this conflict, then in any other in the history of conflict.EAO said:
If you want to argue cultural genocide, Arabs are free in Israel, go figure.
If you want to talk settlements, Palestinians are free to stay, they are not pushed out of disputed territories.
Again, this is demonization. Arabs sit in Gov't offices, serve in the IDF, hold elected positions.EAO said:
Again, this is demonization. To actually believe this, you have to ignore scores of documented evidence, list by the UN. A favoured source of the bigots here.EAO said:
There is a monumental difference between legitimate criticism and demonization.
What the usual suspects here, do, is demonize Israel at every opportunity. Any piece of "fact", no matter how flimsy, how anecdotal, how biased, how shaking, how dishonest, so long as it paints Israel in a bad light. It is the gospels truth.
Where anything that counters it, disproves it, shows it to be false, or lacking credibility, is just Israeli propaganda, reported by Jewish controlled media, and spoon fed to shills.
That is demonization and bigotry to a "T".
Those here that obviously feel hurt by the labels they have so richly earned, such as EAO, who is one of the most prolific bigots in my books. Who supports neo Nazism with his diatribes about how honest Hamas is, and how the Hezbollah are freedom fighters. Dismisses anything that sheds a bad light on his hero's or his stories. Has preferred to lower himself to accusing his detractors of being frauds, because he's been labeled by them as a bigot and supporter of neo Nazism, complete with the evidence needed to do so. Now feels the need to try and lower any criticism of his prolific, misguided and lopsided accounting of atrocities, to attacks on anyone that criticizes Israel.
This too is demonization.
He can't hide behind the lies anymore, his stories have had so many holes punched in them, you can drive aid convoys through them now.
You aren't a bigot, or a neo Nazi supporter, or anti semitic because you criticize Israel EAO. You're all those things and more because you do it disproportionately, while ignoring anything that proves your bigotry wrong.
That is the very definition of bigotry.
I don't call you a bigot to shut you down, or silence you. That's your goal, with claims of libel, stalking and fraud. I believe in free speech. I want to hear your opinions. I want people like you out in the light of day, so we can see what you're up to. I didn't label you, you exposed your own true self, with every lie you've reported, every dismissal of fact, every time you've ignored a post you couldn't counter. I call you bigot, neo Nazi support and Joo hater, because that is exactly what your posts tell me you are. And I want unsuspecting people to know that, so your posts can be taken with the truck load of salt they should be.
Now you don't like what you've created and you feel threatened and hurt. You have one person to blame. YOU. Look at yourself and look at what you've said here over the years.
Legitimate criticism of Israel is healthy and appropriate.
But that's not what you do EAO and usual suspects.
The Left will never abandon Israel. Jew's make up a small minority within the U.S. and only make up a small percentage within the Democratic Party, we have to keep in mind that they are not all Left leaving, like everyone else they conservative, middle of the road. Then we have an even smaller group who are Republicans.
I think you got the title wrong? It reads: Is criticism of Israel's human rights record is anti-Semitic
I gave it a look over and ftfy: It should read: I hate Joos! I hate Joos! I hate Joos! How bout Yoos?
[Yes] [No] [Maybe]
I gave it a look over and ftfy: It should read: I hate Joos! I hate Joos! I hate Joos! How bout Yoos?
[Yes] [No] [Maybe]
In the interests of full disclosure, I voted "Maybe", but only because "usually" was not an option.
CB's posts in this thread make my point. If your opinion is more critical Israel than his, you are a Joo-hating Nazi. His posts usually add little or nothing of value. Any attempt to challenge his opinion usually devolves into demeaning and forum rule violating name calling and slander. His posts on this thread contain examples of straw men, invented quotes and name calling slander. CB has an arrogant delusion that his statements alone are authoritative proof. I used to debate CB, but I now tend ignore him.
To Retired Soldier or anyone else who accuses me of being anti-Semitic. Please quote one (or more) of my posts (rather than make stuff up like CB) to make your point. Explain why you judge that/those post(s) to be anti-Semitic.
BTW, I have to take off for a while, so don't expect an immediate response.
To Retired Soldier or anyone else who accuses me of being anti-Semitic. Please quote one (or more) of my posts (rather than make stuff up like CB) to make your point. Explain why you judge that/those post(s) to be anti-Semitic.
BTW, I have to take off for a while, so don't expect an immediate response.
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I'm back. I see no one here can reference any post I've made as an example of anti-Semitism. That would make this post yet another example of an inability to differentiate between legitimate criticism of Israel and anti-Semitism.
Unless someone can actually come up with something, I believe I've made my point that "Criticism of Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity is not Anti-Semitism" or more precisely, criticizing Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity is not proof that someone is anti-Semitic. I think many of the posts above clearly highlight the problem.
Israeli apologists have broadened the definition of anti-Semitism to include legitimate criticism of Israel.
When Israel's critics point out Israeli war crimes such as when IDF soldiers abduct children and force them search for explosive devices or shield themselves from bullets, Israel's leaders and supporters just play the the anti-Semite card and IDF soldiers can continue abducting children to use as human shields with impunity.
When Israel's critics point out that Israel's restriction of humanitarian aid to the point where people suffer disease and malnutrition is a crime against humanity, Israel's leaders and supporters just play the anti-Semite card and 1.5 million people continue to be suffer illegal collective punishment for years, without hope.
BTW, I agree with the Canadian government's position regarding Hamas, Hezbollah, The Sudan, and pretty much every case where people commit war crimes and crimes against humanity.
The situation in Israel and the Occupied Territories is the only exception I know where a majority of Canadians automatically interpret legitimate criticism of war crimes and crimes against humanity as prejudice/racism. I can't think of another example where Canada's leaders are as silent regarding war crimes and crimes against humanity, or worse, express unshakable support for criminals. As a result, Israelis who commit war crimes and crimes against humanity can continue their illegal actions without fear of ever being held accountable for their actions.
IMO, that's pretty screwed up and why this issue must not rest until a majority of Canadians and our leaders finally recognize that what is going on in Israel and the Occupied Territories violates international laws and the universality of fundamental human rights.
Unless someone can actually come up with something, I believe I've made my point that "Criticism of Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity is not Anti-Semitism" or more precisely, criticizing Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity is not proof that someone is anti-Semitic. I think many of the posts above clearly highlight the problem.
Israeli apologists have broadened the definition of anti-Semitism to include legitimate criticism of Israel.
When Israel's critics point out Israeli war crimes such as when IDF soldiers abduct children and force them search for explosive devices or shield themselves from bullets, Israel's leaders and supporters just play the the anti-Semite card and IDF soldiers can continue abducting children to use as human shields with impunity.
When Israel's critics point out that Israel's restriction of humanitarian aid to the point where people suffer disease and malnutrition is a crime against humanity, Israel's leaders and supporters just play the anti-Semite card and 1.5 million people continue to be suffer illegal collective punishment for years, without hope.
BTW, I agree with the Canadian government's position regarding Hamas, Hezbollah, The Sudan, and pretty much every case where people commit war crimes and crimes against humanity.
The situation in Israel and the Occupied Territories is the only exception I know where a majority of Canadians automatically interpret legitimate criticism of war crimes and crimes against humanity as prejudice/racism. I can't think of another example where Canada's leaders are as silent regarding war crimes and crimes against humanity, or worse, express unshakable support for criminals. As a result, Israelis who commit war crimes and crimes against humanity can continue their illegal actions without fear of ever being held accountable for their actions.
IMO, that's pretty screwed up and why this issue must not rest until a majority of Canadians and our leaders finally recognize that what is going on in Israel and the Occupied Territories violates international laws and the universality of fundamental human rights.
That's correct. However if you believe that all Muslims share some sort of negative characteristic, then that would be a form of religious discrimination. If your religious discrimination leads you to irrationally fear Muslims, then that would be Islamaphobia.... IMO. Although I don't think Islamaphobia is a real word yet.
I'm not sure how anyone can disagree with your premise on this one eao. Seems pretty well thought out and balanced so as not to favour any one particular side on the issue. Good posts - they're a bit of a rarity on here these days.
Never mind.
Don't be ridiculous.
The entire question itself is based on a false premise.
It assumes ISRAEL is guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity.
That in itself reveals a visceral dislike of the Jewish state.
How about some evidence???
Even LESS likely, how about holding Israel to the same standard as every other nation on earth?
Anything else smacks of Joo hatred.
Don't be ridiculous.
The entire question itself is based on a false premise.
It assumes ISRAEL is guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity.
That in itself reveals a visceral dislike of the Jewish state.
How about some evidence???
Even LESS likely, how about holding Israel to the same standard as every other nation on earth?
Anything else smacks of Joo hatred.
Colpy how about YOU try holding Israel to the same standard as "every other nation on Earth" (capitalization is mine) Israeli shyte is still shyte - just like everyone else's. Your "oasis of western democracy" is misplaced
Yes and No Everbody makes mistakes.
"Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation," says Mr. Cohen, a Tunisian-born Jew who worked in Gaza for more than two decades. Responsible for religious affairs in the region until 1994, Mr. Cohen watched the Islamist movement take shape, muscle aside secular Palestinian rivals and then morph into what is today Hamas, a militant group that is sworn to Israel's destruction.
Instead of trying to curb Gaza's Islamists from the outset, says Mr. Cohen, Israel for years tolerated and, in some cases, encouraged them as a counterweight to the secular nationalists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and its dominant faction, Yasser Arafat's Fatah. Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas. Sheikh Yassin continues to inspire militants today; during the recent war in Gaza, Hamas fighters confronted Israeli troops with "Yassins," primitive rocket-propelled grenades named in honor of the cleric."
How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas - WSJ.com
BS. If you simply criticized acts, but when shown how that criticism is misplaced or in error, you conceded. You would be considered objective, impartial, fair, balanced and not a Joo hater.
The fact is, you've been proven wrong more times then not, and you refuse to acknowledge that.
That is simple bigotry. Anti semitism or whatever you want to call it.
You keep saying that because I grew tired of wasting time and energy actually replying to your posts with documented evidence, only to have to dismiss it, or ignore it altogether.
You tend to ignore me, because I keep punching holes in your posts, you fail to fix.
It isn't your words EAO< as I've explained to you time and time again. It is in who you defend, how you defend them, and the fact that when you ahev been proven wrong, time and time again, you keep spouting the same erroneous crap. Even after having it proven wrong beyond a shadow o a doubt.
Are you saying now, that you have never said Hamas was more honest then Israel, that you would believe Hamas before Israel?
Are you saying you have never stated that Israel was an apartheid state?
That Israel is alot like the Nazi's of Germany?
That the Hezbollah are like freedom fighters?
That Israel has a policy of genocide?
Remember, I bookmark important posts EAO.
I'll make you eat your own words EAO, please tell me you didn't say any of that, PLEASE I beg for the opportunity to embarrass you here, right now.
I edited this post to add that, because I just pulled them up in my bookmarks.
So PLEASE tell us all you never said it.
Like I said, you're like the porch sittin' redneck, that hates all niggars, cuz they're ignorant. It doesn't matter that you can prove that there are a litany of well educated, productive Blacks all over the globe. He'll just ignore anything that contradicts that notion.
That is you to a "T".
You don't actually know the difference. You've convinced yourself that you are a good guy, with great thoughts, and no matter how many people show you and prove to you, that you're wrong, you're convinced you're on the right side.
And as I've stated, I actually agree with you. But you can't read anything that doesn't fully tickle your fancy.
No, but they actually prove me right. You simply ignore what doesn't support you Joo hating crusade.
BS.
If and when I've seen it, I've condemned it. Those Soldiers should be tried and punished, including the death penalty.
If that were true, I'd be on your side. But you're talking about an area about to export food.
You still haven't explained how that works.
I'll simply ignore your diatribe, it's the same recording you always say.
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Earth as One do you not understand what an idiot you look like every time you start one of these threads? I couldn't be bothered to read all the crap you post on this subject because you come off like an obsessed boyfriend/girlfriend? Hermaphrodite or whatever you are.
Just for you I will answer your slanted and Anti-Semitic question.
Is it Anti-Semitic to criticize Israel. No.
Is it Anti-Semitic to post and poll obsessively about Israel? Probably
Are you Earth as One an Anti-Semite? If you're are not, then you are an obsessive compulsive individual with tendencies toward schizophrenia.
You should seek help.
Just for you I will answer your slanted and Anti-Semitic question.
Is it Anti-Semitic to criticize Israel. No.
Is it Anti-Semitic to post and poll obsessively about Israel? Probably
Are you Earth as One an Anti-Semite? If you're are not, then you are an obsessive compulsive individual with tendencies toward schizophrenia.
You should seek help.
Just in case you don't read the whole of my posts EAO...This is a challenge to you...
BTW Mark, nice post.
BTW Mark, nice post.
I disagree. This would be like saying valid criticism of America is a visceral dislike of Christianity, or a valid criticism of Saudi Arabia is a visceral dislike of Islam. Its just not true. You can separate your criticisms of the state from the dominant religion of that state.
That's all eao is saying.
I'm surprised so many people are jumping on him for that. It's actually a pretty unbiased and logical approach that more secular states like France and Germany employ when they try and improve their own state methodologies.