6.3 Billion people on the planet say "**** em" and only 450 Million give a **** about Israel. What does that tell you?
Israel - The Right to exist as a State?
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You'ret right, the rest of the planet has no rights to their opinons.
Who is the real problem? The handful of Israelis, Palestinians or the Dispensationalists who out number Israelis and Palestinians 3:1?
Nobody else lives on the planet or has the right to say "no more"?
Dispensationalists? Have you been drinking? If you're going to wade into a discussion make a bit of sense .
The bastardization of Christianity,Judaism & Islam by a sect that is only happy if Muzzie and Jew are pitted in war aren't a problem?
Are dispensationalists a handy tool for the Semetic and Arab ethnic aetheists? Do they benefit Christianity,Judaism & Islam in any way shape or form?
Are dispensationalists a handy tool for the Semetic and Arab ethnic aetheists? Do they benefit Christianity,Judaism & Islam in any way shape or form?
The debate on this is like a bouncing ball. The fact is this is the longest family feud in
world history. If you look at the region, the Jews who often feel superior to their Arab
neighbours shouldn't because they are cousins after thousands of years of history.
Even if we go to religion, the Old Testament, the story of Abraham which both faiths
firmly claim Abraham as the father of their people, they are related.
In terms of history, Jesus Christ was a Jew, and so was his mother Mary. Now the
Jewish faith not not recognize Christ, but the Arabs, and their Muslim Faith do. There
is a special place for Jesus, he is their number two man. and where the Christians
have about a page in the Bible give or take devoted to Mary, the Muslims in the Arab
world have a chapter dedicated her.
I think it is time for the endless childish squabble to end and we the other nations of the
world should stop taking side in this family dispute. Of course Israel has the right to
exist but so do the people of Palestine. They should also have a country of their own
and live in peace. The real problem is the major powers don't want these two groups
to ever make peace. Who would America, Russia, France and the others sell all those
weapons to? We sit in our comfortable little world giving opinions on a subject we should
know more about while we aid and abet the continuation of the a feud, a war that does no
need to take place. It is time we demand that our governments sincerely work with others
to find a lasting peace, and it starts with saying to both sides no more guns.
world history. If you look at the region, the Jews who often feel superior to their Arab
neighbours shouldn't because they are cousins after thousands of years of history.
Even if we go to religion, the Old Testament, the story of Abraham which both faiths
firmly claim Abraham as the father of their people, they are related.
In terms of history, Jesus Christ was a Jew, and so was his mother Mary. Now the
Jewish faith not not recognize Christ, but the Arabs, and their Muslim Faith do. There
is a special place for Jesus, he is their number two man. and where the Christians
have about a page in the Bible give or take devoted to Mary, the Muslims in the Arab
world have a chapter dedicated her.
I think it is time for the endless childish squabble to end and we the other nations of the
world should stop taking side in this family dispute. Of course Israel has the right to
exist but so do the people of Palestine. They should also have a country of their own
and live in peace. The real problem is the major powers don't want these two groups
to ever make peace. Who would America, Russia, France and the others sell all those
weapons to? We sit in our comfortable little world giving opinions on a subject we should
know more about while we aid and abet the continuation of the a feud, a war that does no
need to take place. It is time we demand that our governments sincerely work with others
to find a lasting peace, and it starts with saying to both sides no more guns.
Flag of the Gays and Lesbians or the Flag of the "other Israel"?
Even Stalin of all people gave them autonomy 75 years ago and it still exists today and is growing. 36000sqkm of some of the most resource rich land in all of Asia.
If it we me I'd rather have a sluice full of gold than kill somebody for couple of olive trees on useless alkaline soil.
Current weather for Jewish autonomous oblast
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No worse than living in Canada.....
Jewish autonomous oblast history
On May 7th, 1934, the Jewish national district founded in 1930 received the status of Jewish autonomous oblast. After all the rest autonomous republics of Russia were reformed in 1990s, the Jewish autonomous oblast remained the only autonomous oblast in Russian Federation.
Jewish autonomous oblast differs from other national autonomies in Russia (before - in former USSR) in its unique history; it was founded in early 1930s as a national-territorial region for people migrating there during Soviet power, this territory has never been a place of Jews compact living.
Jews migrating to this region in 1920-1930s and their descendants have never been a majority of population of the oblast, and after large repatriation to Israel in 1970-1990s they remained a small minority here.
Nowadays over 15,000 repatriates migrated from Jewish autonomous oblast live in Israel, over 5,000 of them live in the city Maalot, making a half of city’s population. Repatriates from Jewish autonomous oblast come at all-Israel meeting every year. But the status and the name of autonomous oblast still remain supported by unique symbolic and cultural coloring and history.
Jewish autonomous oblast territory features
By its natural and climate conditions Jewish autonomous oblast refers to one of favorable places in the Far East of Russia. Its territory is presented by 2 types of relief - mountainous and plain land. Mountainous regions are the southern part of Hingano-Bureinskaya mountain chain occupying half of the territory. The plain in the south and east is the western part of Middle-Amur lowland.
The climate of the region is of monsoon type. Winters are cold with little snow (average temperature in January is from -21C in the south to -26C in the mountains), summers are warm and humid.
Fertile lands as well as deposits, rivers Amur, Bira, Bidzhan, large forests are the main features of the oblast. Out of 2.2 million hectares of forests 170 hectares are cedar ones, 223,000 h. - silver fur-tree, 145,000 h. - deciduous forests. The timber stock is about 167,000,000 m3.
In south-west, south and south-east the territory (584 km long) of the oblast is washed by one of the greatest rivers of the continent - Amur. It is 1.5 km broad near western borders of the oblast (at the settlement Pashkovo), and 2.5 km - at the eastern borders. Meat and milk producing and poultry farming are important branches of agriculture of the region.
Jewish autonomous oblast resources
On the territory of Jewish autonomous oblast the deposits of over 20 minerals were found and prospected, such as: iron, manganese, tin, gold, graphite, magnesite, zeolite, there are curing mineral springs. Jewish autonomous oblast is one of the richest in Russia in number and concentration of deposits and mines.
But natural resources are not fully studied or prospected. Besides, most of raw material is taken to other regions, there is a little of processing plants. The most promising deposits should and might attract Russian and foreign investors’ attention. This could have helped in using the deposits more effectively.
Why could Canada not simply officially declare it's support for Israel as its boundaries are defined by international law (i.e. the land under control by Israel prior to 1967). This is essentially what Brazil and Argentina and a few other countries have done.
Israel is critical of this, because it implies that Palestinians have every right to fight for all territory occupied by Israel since 1967; but if it actually stopped to think about it, this is to Israel's advantage, and here's why:
Such an international recognition would mean that any Palestinian attack on Israel proper (i.e. that territory controlled by Israel prior to 1967 and recognized in international law to this day) would grant Israel a legitimate right as per international law to counter-attack. It is the very legal foundation upon which the existence of Israel first came to be and continues to exist today. Add to this that should Israel retreat back to within its legally recognized boundaries, all legitimate accusations of Israeli imperialism would end.
Israel is critical of this, because it implies that Palestinians have every right to fight for all territory occupied by Israel since 1967; but if it actually stopped to think about it, this is to Israel's advantage, and here's why:
Such an international recognition would mean that any Palestinian attack on Israel proper (i.e. that territory controlled by Israel prior to 1967 and recognized in international law to this day) would grant Israel a legitimate right as per international law to counter-attack. It is the very legal foundation upon which the existence of Israel first came to be and continues to exist today. Add to this that should Israel retreat back to within its legally recognized boundaries, all legitimate accusations of Israeli imperialism would end.
You know, I am not sure they haven't let that out yet, I do know they have ICBM's that can hit anyplace in the world.
Arrow Anti Ballistic Missile. Its development began in the early 1990s and in 1998 it had its first successful deployment. The Arrow is the world's only first ABM system, which is specifically developed to destroy incoming missiles. The Arrow Missile is a defense system against medium-range ballistic missiles. It can intercept missiles within a wide spectrum of ranges and altitudes, and can provide protection over large areas. Specifically it is designed to intercept medium- and short-range missiles, not intercontinental missiles, in keeping with Israel's perception of its exposure to Iraqi and possibly Iranian missiles. The latter on the verge of fielding the Shahab-3, which will have the range to strike Israel.
http://www.i****ech.co.il/1102ar1.htm
Reparations are a separate matter. On the one hand, Palestine and the international community could choose to fogive Israel. Even if they don't, and reparations are required, they would be no costlier than the money Israel must spend to maintain control of occupied territories beyond its legally recognized boundaries in international law. Should Israel retreat back to within its legally recognized boundaries, and Palestinians decided to still attack it on its own soil, then Israel could legitimately requestion assistance from the international community to fight Palesine. When Isael is fighting Palestinian on soil recognized by the international community as not belonging to Israel in the first place, then naturally Israe gets no sympathy for the cost of maintaining that occupation and its settlements. As a result, it's costly to Israel, both financially and diplomaticlally. Is this really any less expensive than any reparations Israel might be required to give Palestine?
Israel isn't self sustaining even if it had no military occupations to deal with.
They should be more worried about building their economy, creating jobs developing agriculture and securing a reliable water supply. They have no manufacturing, agriculture is severally lacking because water is lacking.
If the money spent on arms went into desalination and soil regeneration everyone would be too busy working to fight. If they split the costs between Arab and Jew every salad in Europe would have Holy Land veg in it.
They are damn lucky to have Palestinians, Jordanians Lebanese & Egyptians as neighbours.
If they were given a piece of Europa and tried to do the same thing there wouldn't be an Israel for the rest of planet to try and get to stick to agreed borders.
That's a common misperception.
Unlike Europe, the Ottoman empire was a relatively safe haven for Jews for centuries. Many European Jewish refugees fleeing violent persecution often moved to the relative safety of the Ottoman empire. Palestine was a quiet and relatively peaceful part of the Ottoman empire, where Muslims, Jews and Christians lived together in relative peace until the Ottoman empire fell at the end of WW I and Palestine became a British mandate.
Also
Antisemitism in Turkey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Zionism changed everything. This area has been war zone since 1947, when the UN awarded most of Palestine to Europe Jewish refugees without consulting the Palestinian people.
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What you say is essentially true.....a little spin, but certainly fact based.
What you DON'T say is two facts:
1. Palestine is the ancestral home of the Jews.
2. The alternative to Zionism was for the Jews to remain in Europe, and be butchered.
'Nuff said.
earth_as_one has no logical or valid argument regarding point #1.
She/he would be quite happy with point #2.
Especially the part following the comma. After all, what is the essence of being a true anti-Semite?
or they could have went to live and prosper in the JAR and still can today.
1. There is no Jewish Biblical claim to Palestine.
2. There is no legal Zionist claim to Palestine.
'Nuff said.
Palestine is the acestral homeland of Russians and Poles. The Palestinians stole the land in 3500BC. Certainly Georgians have every right to settle in Palestine. Everyone is welcome except Palestinians Christians Moslems Lebanese Egyptians Sumerians and of course the Chinese.
They should have chosen better Kings that didn't bastardized their own religion pissing off God. As Solomon's son once said "The yokes on you!"