A warning for the people of Earth

[petros]

What happens to humanity when we reach the breaking point and the resources can no longer support us? Like I have been saying, mindless consumerism will be the downfall of us all. Humanities numbers will be greatly reduced either by choice or by natural disaster. Either way, balance will be eventually reached.

That is why we have greenie weenies who want to reduce the population before the crisis really hits.

North America has a 3 day supply of food.

Just one solar flare can wipe out the entire electric grid sending us back to the steam age in a matter of seconds.


72 hrs away from chaos.

Kiss your backyard garden good bye in the USA...Does this law sound like something a govt that wants to green up the planet?

SEC. 401. PROHIBITED ACTS.
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It is prohibited--

(1) to manufacture, introduce, deliver for introduction, or receive in interstate commerce any food that is adulterated, misbranded, or otherwise unsafe;

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(2) to adulterate or misbrand any food in interstate commerce;

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(3) for a food establishment or foreign food establishment to fail to register under section 202, or to operate without a valid registration;

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(4) to refuse to permit access to a food establishment or food production facility for the inspection and copying of a record as required under sections 205(f) and 206(a);

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(5) to fail to establish or maintain any record or to make any report as required under sections 205(f) and 206(b);


(6) to refuse to permit entry to or inspection of a food establishment as required under section 205;


(7) to fail to provide to the Administrator the results of testing or sampling of food, equipment, or material in contact with food, that is positive for any contaminant under section 205(f)(1)(B);

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(8) to fail to comply with a provision, regulation, or order of the Administrator under section 202, 203, 204, 206, or 208;


(9) to slaughter an animal that is capable for use in whole or in part as human food at a food establishment processing any food for commerce, except in compliance with the food safety law;

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(10) to transfer food in violation of an administrative detention order under section 402 or to remove or alter a required mark or label identifying the food as detained;

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(11) to fail to comply with a recall or other order under section 403; or

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(12) to otherwise violate the food safety law.


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SEC. 402. FOOD DETENTION, SEIZURE, AND CONDEMNATION.

(a) Administrative Detention of Food-
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(1) EXPANDED AUTHORITY- The Administrator shall have authority under section 304 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 334) to administratively detain and seize any food regulated under this Act that the Administrator has reason to believe is unsafe, is adulterated or misbranded, or otherwise fails to meet the requirements of the food safety law.


(2) DETENTION AUTHORITY- If, during an inspection conducted in accordance with section 205 or 208, an officer, employee, or agent of the Administration making the inspection has reason to believe that a domestic food, imported food, or food offered for import is unsafe, is adulterated or misbranded, or otherwise fails to meet the requirements of this the food safety law, the officer, employee, or agent may order the food detained.


(3) PERIOD OF DETENTION-

(A) IN GENERAL- A food may be detained under paragraph (1) or (2) for a reasonable period, not to exceed 20 days, unless a longer period, not to exceed 30 days, is necessary for the Administrator to institute a seizure action.


(B) PERISHABLE FOOD- The Administrator shall provide by regulation for procedures to institute a seizure action on an expedited basis with respect to perishable food.


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(4) SECURITY OF DETAINED FOOD-
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(A) IN GENERAL- A detention order under this subsection--

(i) may require that the food be labeled or marked as detained; and


(ii) shall require that the food be removed to a secure facility, if appropriate.



(B) FOOD SUBJECT TO AN ORDER- A food subject to a detention order under this subsection shall not be transferred by any person from the place at which the food is removed, until released by the Administrator or until the expiration of the detention period applicable under the order, whichever occurs first.


(C) DELIVERY OF FOOD- This subsection does not authorize the delivery of a food in accordance with execution of a bond while the article is subject to the order.




(b) Appeal of Detention Order-

(1) IN GENERAL- A person who would be entitled to be a claimant for a food subject to a detention order under subsection (a) if the food were seized under section 304 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 334), may appeal the order to the Administrator.


(2) ACTION BY THE ADMINISTRATOR- Not later than 5 days after an appeal is filed under paragraph (1), the Administrator, after providing an opportunity for an informal hearing, shall confirm, modify, or terminate the order involved.


(3) FINAL AGENCY ACTION- Confirmation, modification, or termination by the Administrator under paragraph (2) shall be considered a final agency action for purposes of section 702 of title 5, United States Code.


(4) TERMINATION- A detention order under subsection (a) shall be considered to be terminated if, after 5 days, the Administrator has failed--

(A) to provide an opportunity for an informal hearing; or


(B) to confirm, modify, or terminate the order.



(5) EFFECT OF INSTITUTING COURT ACTION- If the Administrator initiates an action under section 302 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 332) or section 304(a) of that Act (21 U.S.C. 334(a)) for a food subject to a detention order under subsection (a), the process for the appeal of the detention order with respect to such food shall terminate.



(c) Condemnation of Food-

(1) IN GENERAL- After confirming a detention order, the Administrator may order the food condemned.


(2) DESTRUCTION OF FOOD- Any food condemned shall be destroyed under the supervision of the Administrator.


(3) RELEASE OF FOOD- If the Administrator determines that, through reprocessing, relabeling, or other action, a detained food can be brought into compliance with this Act, the food may be released following a determination by the Administrator that the relabeling or other action as specified by the Administrator has been performed.



(d) Temporary Holds at Ports of Entry-
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(1) IN GENERAL- If an officer or qualified employee of the Administration has reason to believe that a food is unsafe, is adulterated or misbranded, or otherwise fails to meet the requirements of this Act, and the officer or qualified employee is unable to inspect, examine, or investigate the food when the food is offered for import at a port of entry into the United States, the officer or qualified employee shall request the Secretary of Homeland Security to hold the food at the port of entry for a reasonable period of time, not to exceed 24 hours, to enable the Administrator to inspect or investigate the food as appropriate.


(2) REMOVAL TO SECURE FACILITY- The Administrator shall work in coordination with the Secretary of Homeland Security to remove a food held in accordance with paragraph (1) to a secure facility as appropriate.


(3) PROHIBITION ON TRANSFER- During the period in which food is held, the food shall not be transferred by any person from the port of entry into the United States, or from the secure facility to which the food has been removed.

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(4) DELIVERY IN ACCORDANCE WITH A BOND- The delivery of the food in accordance with the execution of a bond while the food is held is not authorized.

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(5) PROHIBITION ON REEXPORT- A food found unfit for human or animal consumption shall be prohibited from reexport without further processing to remove the contamination and reinspection by the Administration.

 

[Avro]

Sorry petros, I can't find any info about your claim of 95%.

Could you help me out?

Thanks.

Do you have a link or something petros?

Thanks again.

 

[petros]

I already gave it to you. It has ag stats for the entire globe. You'll find what you need in there.

Post #19 first line.

 

[TenPenny]

Okay, so the number of Canadians involved in farming has dropped. I get it, that's a no brainer.

Still don't see any information to suggest that 95% of the world's population is engaged in subsistence farming.

In fact, the following

Number of Chinese Farmers Dropping China's labor force is undergoing a historic shift from farms to factories and service trades with the number of farmers dropping 20 percent from 1979 to 2001.

Figures released by the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) Monday show that those working in primary industries accounted for50.1 percent of total labor force at the end of 2001, in comparison with 70.5 percent in 1978.

If the population of the world is approx 6.7 billion, you're saying that 6.4 billion are subsistence farmers.

With the population of China at 1.3 billion or so, if the number of farmers has dropped by 20 percent, it's highly unlikely that 95% of the world's population are subsistence farmers.

 

[Avro]

That is why we have greenie weenies who want to reduce the population before the crisis really hits.



Kiss your backyard garden good bye in the USA...Does this law sound like something a govt that wants to green up the planet?

If that isn't the solution, what is?

The farm lobby is very strong in the USA. Big farms don't want you growing your own food.

 

[petros]

Okay, so the number of Canadians involved in farming has dropped. I get it, that's a no brainer.

Still don't see any information to suggest that 95% of the world's population is engaged in subsistence farming.

In fact, the following

If the population of the world is approx 6.7 billion, you're saying that 6.4 billion are subsistence farmers.

With the population of China at 1.3 billion or so, if the number of farmers has dropped by 20 percent, it's highly unlikely that 95% of the world's population are subsistence farmers.

Does China make up the bulk of the world's population? How many others live in Asia?

Do we have subsistence farmers in Canada or US? In the US it's nearly all of them. Without the $28 per acre subsidy the US farmer wouldn't make enough to pay his bills and put food on the table.

 

[Avro]

I already gave it to you. It has ag stats for the entire globe. You'll find what you need in there.

Post #19 first line.

Can you give me a direct link to what I'm suppose to be reading.

Sorry to be a pain.

thanks.

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Number of Chinese Farmers Dropping China's labor force is undergoing a historic shift from farms to factories and service trades with the number of farmers dropping 20 percent from 1979 to 2001.

Figures released by the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) Monday show that those working in primary industries accounted for50.1 percent of total labor force at the end of 2001, in comparison with 70.5 percent in 1978.

In the meantime, the number of people working in tertiary trades increased by 140 million, with the proportion growing from 12.2 percent in 1978 to 27.7 percent in 2001.

As the economy expanded rapidly over the past two decades, primary industries accounted for increasingly smaller shares of the gross domestic product (GDP). However, the economic efficiency of the primary industries surged 11 percent over the period.

According to the NBS, China has completed the rationalization of its industrial structure by overcoming such problems as weak agricultural infrastructure, crippled industrial layout and underdeveloped services. China has entered a new stage of upgrading and advancing its industrial structure.

The NBS predicts that private industries will boom in coming years as the government allows wider market access and better financial services. Private capital generates a quarter of the country's GDP and has entered sectors which were previously government monopolies, including transport and telecommunications.

The expansion of private ownership will help China develop new growth areas in its service industries, which, according to NBS figures, is lagging behind developed countries and most developing countries in terms of infrastructure, new businesses and share in GDP.

The NBS predicts that consumption will make up a greater part of China's GDP in coming years. Expenditure on consumption accounted for 60.6 percent of GDP in 2001, around 19 percentage points lower than international average. On the other hand, investment accounted for 37.3 percent of GDP, far greater than the ratio in other countries.

A higher ratio of investment in GDP is natural for a developing economy like China's. However, it will be a long-term trend that the GDP proportion of investment will drop and that of consumption will rise, according to the NBS.

Over 93.5 percent of the industrial structure in eastern, central and western parts of China are identical. The problem of repetition is even more serious within different specific provinces in these areas. The NBS says China should focus on solving this problem through further economic restructuring.

It also points out that the gap in economic development among different areas of China has been widening over the past 23 years. The Chinese government has launched a strategic campaign to develop western areas so as to reverse the trend. (Xinhua News Agency October 8, 2002)

Dosen't China have a population control policy?

 

[TenPenny]

Since China has approx 20% of the world's population, if anything less than 3/4 of China's population are subsistence farmers, your claim is impossible, even if every single other person in the world is a subsistence farmer.

Dosen't China have a population control policy?

The one-child policy only applies to urban residents, not farmers.

 

[petros]

Can you give me a direct link to what I'm suppose to be reading.

Sorry to be a pain.

It's all there. If you look you'll find it.

Without tax breaks or subsidies industrial farms wouldn't exist and not a single farmer would make enough to feed himself. They aren't even substaining themselves and that is why the number is high.

Food production subsidies/ tax incentices are what turned the Western economies into consumer economies.

We already have state funded farms. How long do you think that will last?

 

[Avro]

It's all there. If you look you'll find it.

Look where?

What link?

What page?

 

[petros]

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

It's all there. If you look you'll find it.
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[Avro]

Wait a tick...found something.

Seems Benin is at 95%....no one else comes close.

 

[petros]

Apparently the entire globe is to have state funded commercial agro by 2015.... that will mean a totally state reliant commercial ag system.
That makes all farmers less than subsistence.

We underline that the fulfilment of all official development assistance (ODA)
commitments is crucial, including the commitments by many developed countries to achieve the
target of 0.7 percent of gross national product (GNP) for ODA to developing countries by 2015
and to reach the level of at least 0.5 percent of GNP for ODA by 2010, as well as a target of 0.15​

to 0.2 percent of GNP for ODA to least-developed countries.

 

[Avro]

Apparently the entire globe is to have state funded commercial agro by 2015.... that will mean a totally state reliant commercial ag system.
That makes all farmers less than subsistence.

Sounds like more farm lobby garbage.

 

[petros]

We note that the share of ODA devoted to agriculture reached a level of 19 percent in​

1980, but fell to 3.8 percent in 2006. There is, however, an indication that this trend is reversing.

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We commit to substantially increase the share of ODA devoted to agriculture and food security
based on country-led requests. We encourage international financial institutions and regional
development banks to do likewise. We welcome the commitments of the “L’Aquila” Joint
Statement on Global Food Security in July 2009, including those towards a goal of mobilizing
USD 20 billion over three years, and we call upon the fulfilment of those commitments. We
highly appreciate the interest shown and resources mobilized for agriculture and food security by​

private philanthropic foundations in recent years.


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$20Billion in global subsidies...that's about $3 a head. Far below a sustaining industry.​

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I'd like to meet one of the few that actually turn an independant dollar and shake his hand.

 

[Avro]

$20Billion in global subsidies...that's about $3 a head. Far below a sustaining industry.​

[/LEFT]

I'd like to meet one of the few that actually turn an independant dollar and shake his hand.

Fun to watch a capitalist promote socialism.

 

[petros]

Are you going to be able to afford the same level of consumption with grain prices doubling this year?

 

[Avro]

Are you going to be able to afford the same level of consumption with grain prices doubling this year?

I am.

 

[petros]

In America backyard gardens are illegal unless you have a brand name.

SEC. 401. PROHIBITED ACTS.
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It is prohibited--
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(1) to manufacture, introduce, deliver for introduction, or receive in interstate commerce any food that is adulterated, misbranded, or otherwise unsafe;

I am.

How many aren't? How long will subsidies/tax breaks last? What does having less to eat mean for the entire economy and health/productivity of Canada?

 

[JLM]

I don't have to watch any video, to know one solution is to start salvaging for use and reuse all the stuff that is going into landfills. People have to stop the habit of getting rid of stuff just because it has a scratch or they are getting tired of it. How much useless paper comes in our door every day? I'll bet if all the metal lying around rusting was put to use, we could stop mining for a year. Make a law about planned obsolescence- look at computers, obsolete in a year. Why do we have to buy new electronics all the time with the accompanying housing when we can simply install new chips, transistors etc? Look at the food being wasted. What do restaurants do with all the bread crusts? When they crack an egg and the yolk breaks what happens to the egg? In the garbage? In short, STOP THE WASTE.