A warning for the people of Earth

[JLM]

This fraud is nothing but the even phonier re-incarnation of Paul Ehrlich of the 1970's who in his usual wisdom (typical of all those who are of the belief that humans are just another version of animals) claimed that the world would die of starvation in ten years.

Thirty years later we are still here. Forty years later some farmers are still paid NOT TO GROW food. Forty years later, as the video example clearly shows, some alarmists are incurably stuck in their chicken-little world.

Pity that they are otherwise normal people who believe this utter bull crap.

This fraud is nothing but the even phonier re-incarnation of Paul Ehrlich of the 1970's who in his usual wisdom (typical of all those who are of the belief that humans are just another version of animals) claimed that the world would die of starvation in ten years.

Thirty years later we are still here. Forty years later some farmers are still paid NOT TO GROW food. Forty years later, as the video example clearly shows, some alarmists are incurably stuck in their chicken-little world.

Pity that they are otherwise normal people who believe this utter bull crap.

Utter bull crap???????? More and more people are dependent on the same number of acres to sustain themselves. The quality of the soil continues to decline. How much longer do YOU think this can continue? When do you think the non alarmists should start getting alarmed? :smile:

 

[mentalfloss]

YJ is a joke poster. Don't fall for his fake trolls.

 

[JLM]

YJ is a joke poster. Don't fall for his fake trolls.

And a most provocative poster - generally full of sh*t. :smile: But once in a blue moon he does come up with something sensible. :smile:

 

[Avro]

Where do I argue in favour of a global socialist system?

I will go straight back to square one and say a lot of people are going to have to die in the very near future.

I hope it's not you. You still have a lot to learn about the green bull**** you promote. I want you to live a long life with the deaths of billions on your hands.

Me? I'm all for it.

Take Care!

I never imagined this thread becoming this entertaining.

Show me the numbers.

Where did I promote killing billions?

Do we consume and grow until there is nothing left.

....and now King petros admits he wants to kill billions.

Funny sh*t!

So, what is your take on the governement using negative ions to control our brains?

 

[mentalfloss]

Someone get petros in here, I smell chemtrails.

 

[YukonJack]

Utter bull crap???????? More and more people are dependent on the same number of acres to sustain themselves. The quality of the soil continues to decline. How much longer do YOU think this can continue? When do you think the non alarmists should start getting alarmed? :smile:

Anyone can realize (unless totally brainwashed by the likes of chicken-little fearmongers) that the same acre of land that produced X tons/pounds of food a hundred years ago now can produce 10X tons/pounds of food today.

Strange that those who tout the success of science in many areas of human endeavour, forget to ackowledge the obvious. They try to deny or give up that science can step in and increase the yield of any and all crops. Or even the quality of the soil. As it has many times in the past.

Strange that nobody responded to invalidate what I said about Mr. Chicken Little Paul Ehrich. BTW, was he or some other loon who claimed then (1970's) that the Earth will be a frozen waste land?

 

[petros]

The law pertains to commerce across state lines. Backyard gardens are not illegal under this law.

Nope. Where does it say commerce? You don't have to exchnage money to trade goods. Giving a potato away is still trade.

Someone get petros in here, I smell chemtrails.

What's a chemtrail?

 

[mentalfloss]

What's a chemtrail?

Normally I would fetch a link, but because you usually pull the douche card out for that sort of thing - I'll let you look it up.

 

[petros]

I'm pretty sure that you are better at reading than that.

You do yourself a disservice by making completely bizarre claims, and deliberately misreading things.
Must be a slow week out there.

How do you "manufacture" a vegetable? A factory or a just a simple plot of soil?
Were does the bill outline "commercial operations only"?

You are welcome to read the entire bill and gain a broader understanding. Until then growing a veggie and giving it to your neighbour even if he or she is starving is still illegal.

 

[TenPenny]

How do you "manufacture" a vegetable? A factory or a just a simple plot of soil?
Were does the bill outline "commercial operations only"?

You are welcome to read the entire bill and gain a broader understanding. Until then growing a veggie and giving it to your neighbour even if he or she is starving is still illegal.

If you say so.

It is prohibited--

(1) to manufacture, introduce, deliver for introduction, or receive in interstate commerce any food that is adulterated, misbranded, or otherwise unsafe;

How does this make it illegal to grow, sell, or give away vegetables?

 

[Cannuck]

Nope. Where does it say commerce?

In the stuff you posted

"(1) to manufacture, introduce, deliver for introduction, or receive in interstate commerce any food that is adulterated, misbranded, or otherwise unsafe;"

Do you not bother to read what you post or do you simply not understand it?

 

[YukonJack]

Those who subscribe to the fraud in the video could - actually should - encourage him and then follow the example: Take fewer breaths to save thw atmosphere and eat much, much, much less to save food for those for whom you pretend to speak.

 

[JLM]

Those who subscribe to the fraud in the video could - actually should - encourage him and then follow the example: Take fewer breaths to save thw atmosphere and eat much, much, much less to save food for those for whom you pretend to speak.

I'd say about 2/3 of our population would do well to eat much less- good advice Y.J. and will help the environment. If you eat and exercise properly your body will probably process oxygen more efficiently which will possibly result in your taking fewer breaths. Your wisdom is boundless. (this morning). :smile:

 

[petros]

Comrades!

Before you can move a vegetable across state lines you have to grow (manufacture) it. Trade of goods doesn't have to be a sale of goods to be trade. Giving an unlabeled, uninspected, home manufactured food item as gift is still trade. If grandma gives you a jar of home preserved cranberries for Christmas it is still trade of a homemade, uninspected, unlabeled manufacture and processed food item that crossed a state line.

Because the potential for interstate trade is there along highways you'll need to have a legit label and pay for state inspectors to give you the green light. How many cities/towns straddle state borders? Home bake/garden/garage sales are very common in my city and obviously in thousands of other too and in th US you can cruise through three states before hitting countryside.

Unless you pay a fee, get a home gardening commercial license, promise not to collect rainwater as it is needed for downstream industry, register with IRS and pay taxes will you be able to give anyone a home manufactured tomato or jar of jam.

Being a straight up debater I'd like to correct a mistake.

I said "95% of the global population are subsistance farmers" when the correct statement should be "95% of the farmer on the globe are subsistence farmers."

Either way they are all State farmers now Comrades! Dobra!

 

[Cannuck]

Before you can move a vegetable across state lines you have to grow (manufacture) it. Trade of goods doesn't have to be a sale of goods to be trade. Giving an unlabeled, uninspected, home manufactured food item as gift is still trade.

No it's not.

If grandma gives you a jar of home preserved cranberries for Christmas it is still trade of a homemade, uninspected, unlabeled manufacture and processed food item that crossed a state line.

No it's not

Because the potential for interstate trade is there along highways you'll need to have a legit label and pay for state inspectors to give you the green light.

If you wish to engage in trade....yes.

How many cities/towns straddle state borders?

Irrelevant

Home bake/garden/garage sales are very common in my city and obviously in thousands of other too and in th US you can cruise through three states before hitting countryside.

Irrelevant

Unless you pay a fee, get a home gardening commercial license, promise not to collect rainwater as it is needed for downstream industry, register with IRS and pay taxes will you be able to give anyone a home manufactured tomato or jar of jam.

You really have no idea what the legislation means do you? Why don't you scurry down to your nearest lawyers office and show it to him. That way, you won't have to take my word for it and you won't post anymore nonsense that, quite frankly, is making you look a little foolish.

 

[ironsides]

YouTube - Alien Warning To Earth

 

[petros]

No it's not.

No it's not.
If you wish to engage in trade....yes.
Irrelevant
Irrelevant
You really have no idea what the legislation means do you? Why don't you scurry down to your nearest lawyers office and show it to him. That way, you won't have to take my word for it and you won't post anymore nonsense that, quite frankly, is making you look a little foolish.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h875ih.txt.pdf​

Comrade Cannuck,

Pay special attention to
* Section 3 which is the definitions portion of the bill-read in it’s entirety.
* section 103, 206 and 207- read in its entirety.​

[SIZE=+1]What it Does:[/SIZE]​

* Legally binds state agriculture departments to enforce federal guidelines effectively taking away the states power to do anything other than being food police for the federal government.
* Effectively criminalizes organic farming, but doesn’t actually use the word 'organic.'
* Affects anyone growing food, even if they are not selling it but consuming it.
*Affects anyone producing meat of any kind including wild game.
* Legislation is so broad based that every aspect of growing or producing food can be made illegal. There are no specifics, which is bizarre considering how long the legislation is.
* Section 103 is almost entirely about the administrative aspect of the legislation. It will allow the appointing of officials from the factory farming corporations and lobbyists and classify them as experts and allow them to determine and interpret the legislation. ​

Who do you think they are going to side with?
* Section 206 defines what will be considered a 'food production facility' and what will be enforced upon all food production facilities. The wording is so broad based that a backyard gardener could be fined and more.
* Section 207 requires that the state’s Agriculture department act as the food police and enforce the federal requirements. This takes away the states power and is in violation of the 10th amendment.​

 

[Cannuck]

[SIZE=+1]What it Does:[/SIZE]​

* Legally binds state agriculture departments to enforce federal guidelines effectively taking away the states power to do anything other than being food police for the federal government.​

No it doesn't. I believe you have no idea how to interpret statutes. You should really take a copy of this to a lawyer and have the parts that are giving you trouble explained appropriately.


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[petros]

I guess the lawyers who fought the bill were idiots huh?

 

[Cannuck]

I guess the lawyers who fought the bill were idiots huh?

Lawyers will fight for whatever their clients pay them to fight for.....or did you not realize that as well?