A warning for the people of Earth

petros

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Yup. Too many eaters not enough cleared land to farm. Solution: Eliminate 75% of the global population.

Whose first?

You Avro?
 

Avro

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Yup. Too many eaters not enough cleared land to farm. Solution: Eliminate 75% of the global population.

Whose first?

You Avro?

I don't think that was the solution presented petros.

Did you watch it...all.
 

petros

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Seen it before. Does this jackass have jobs for the 95% of the global population who are subsistance farmers so they can buy food?

No farm, no food. No job, no food.
 

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Seen it before. Does this jackass have jobs for the 95% of the global population who are subsistance farmers so they can buy food?

No farm, no food. No job, no food.

What he was saying is that we have to do with less. Not impossible in theory but given human nature it is imposible.

So we continue to grow and consume until there is nothing left.
 

petros

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I'll say it again....95% of the global population are subsistence farmers. That means it's from field to mouth and nothing goes to market.

Mr. Rees makes zero reference to the fact population isn't getting any lower. The entire talk is based on current global population.

Some Soviet type food collective will never fly.

Socialists like him will be shot long before some Yankee gives up his steak.
 

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I'll say it again....95% of the global population are subsistence farmers. That means it's from field to mouth and nothing goes to market.

Mr. Rees makes zero reference to the fact population isn't getting any lower. The entire talk is based on current global population.

Some Soviet type food collective will never fly.

Socialists like him will be shot long before some Yankee gives up his steak.

I'll say it again, we continue to grow and consume until we have nothing left.

He does mention population expansion.

Are you sure you watched it or did you take to much time thinking of names to call him?
 

petros

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You're saying that 95% of the world's population are subsistence farmers?
Yuuuuup!

I'll say it again, we continue to grow and consume until we have nothing left.
And I'll say it again. Population control is the only out.

20,000 dead per day everyday at current levels. Is it because there is no food or because they can't afford to buy it?

Six countries - the US, Canada, France, Australia, Argentina and Thailand - supply 90% of grain exports globally.
Do they give it away or sell it?
 

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Yuuuuup!

And I'll say it again. Population control is the only out.

20,000 dead per day everyday at current levels. Is it because there is no food or because they can't afford to buy it?

Both.

Population control by means of ending growth.

No need to set up death camps, an extreme point of view you have stated before.

It's hypothetical anyways, it will never happen. Human nature dictates we won't do it.

So we keep growing and consuming until it's all gone.

How long do you suppose we have?
 

Avro

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No you don't have to set up death camps. You simply restrict new land from being cleared using "green laws".



We've been ****ed ever since ground water became poisonous.

Sure, like any species, if the habitat can't support it at it's current level, it won't grow anymore.

Ground water dosen't tell me how long we have.

Quite frankly, I find it hard to believe that 95% of China engages in subsistence agriculture, much less the world.

Ask him to back it up.
 

petros

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Quite frankly, I find it hard to believe that 95% of China engages in subsistence agriculture, much less the world.
You'd best check into that. Within your life time in Canada farm populations have gone from 25% to 2%. Go back another generation and 95% were farmers just like the majority of the global population.. Do you really believe the rest of the planet should be packed into unsustainable cities? What will they do for work to buy food?

If mined fertilizers were stopped today food production globally gets cut in half. There is no 'hippy organic solution" to the food issue without losing half of the planets current levels of food production.
 

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I heard today the England just passed a law outlawing all natural remedies and natural health practices. Is this true? If so, what they have there is another witch hunt. In the old days witches were herbalists and healers who were accused of doing the devil's work because only the church had the divine power to heal. Today it is big pharma that is the new church. Is there any difference between Monsanto and big pharma? No. It is all about control, power and money and this is how the population will be severely curtailed.
 

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You'd best check into that. Within your life time in Canada farm populations have gone from 25% to 2%. Go back another generation and 95% were farmers just like the majority of the global population.. Do you really believe the rest of the planet should be packed into unsustainable cities? What will they do for work to buy food?

If mined fertilizers were stopped today food production globally gets cut in half. There is no 'hippy organic solution" to the food issue without losing half of the planets current levels of food production.

Sorry petros, I can't find any info about your claim of 95%.

Could you help me out?

Thanks.
 

petros

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FAO: FAO Home


Quite frankly, I find it hard to believe that 95% of China engages in subsistence agriculture, much less the world.
Number of Chinese Farmers Dropping China's labor force is undergoing a historic shift from farms to factories and service trades with the number of farmers dropping 20 percent from 1979 to 2001.

Figures released by the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) Monday show that those working in primary industries accounted for50.1 percent of total labor force at the end of 2001, in comparison with 70.5 percent in 1978.

In the meantime, the number of people working in tertiary trades increased by 140 million, with the proportion growing from 12.2 percent in 1978 to 27.7 percent in 2001.

As the economy expanded rapidly over the past two decades, primary industries accounted for increasingly smaller shares of the gross domestic product (GDP). However, the economic efficiency of the primary industries surged 11 percent over the period.

According to the NBS, China has completed the rationalization of its industrial structure by overcoming such problems as weak agricultural infrastructure, crippled industrial layout and underdeveloped services. China has entered a new stage of upgrading and advancing its industrial structure.

The NBS predicts that private industries will boom in coming years as the government allows wider market access and better financial services. Private capital generates a quarter of the country's GDP and has entered sectors which were previously government monopolies, including transport and telecommunications.

The expansion of private ownership will help China develop new growth areas in its service industries, which, according to NBS figures, is lagging behind developed countries and most developing countries in terms of infrastructure, new businesses and share in GDP.

The NBS predicts that consumption will make up a greater part of China's GDP in coming years. Expenditure on consumption accounted for 60.6 percent of GDP in 2001, around 19 percentage points lower than international average. On the other hand, investment accounted for 37.3 percent of GDP, far greater than the ratio in other countries.

A higher ratio of investment in GDP is natural for a developing economy like China's. However, it will be a long-term trend that the GDP proportion of investment will drop and that of consumption will rise, according to the NBS.

Over 93.5 percent of the industrial structure in eastern, central and western parts of China are identical. The problem of repetition is even more serious within different specific provinces in these areas. The NBS says China should focus on solving this problem through further economic restructuring.

It also points out that the gap in economic development among different areas of China has been widening over the past 23 years. The Chinese government has launched a strategic campaign to develop western areas so as to reverse the trend. (Xinhua News Agency October 8, 2002)


I don't know anything about it.
You'd best look into it.

Bill HR 875

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-875

FAO Initiative on Soaring Food Prices
By mid-2008, international food prices had skyrocketed to their highest level in 30 years. This, coupled with the global economic downturn, pushed millions more people into poverty and hunger.

Though food prices have fallen from those 2008 peaks, they are higher than they were before the onset of the food price crisis and will likely remain volatile.

Efforts need to be scaled up at all levels to strengthen the resilience of small farmers to future shocks and to improve food and nutrition security over the long term [more].
This was 2008


Grain prices have doubled in the past 6 months....

Has everyone had a double in income?
 

Cliffy

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What happens to humanity when we reach the breaking point and the resources can no longer support us? Like I have been saying, mindless consumerism will be the downfall of us all. Humanities numbers will be greatly reduced either by choice or by natural disaster. Either way, balance will be eventually reached.