Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[Colpy]

I've lived on both sides of the border and there's no simple solution to guns, anybody who claims the US has a better model than Canada hasn't spent much time there.

Owning guns can actually make you a target for crime, not prevent it. I had a gun-nut buddy in Idaho who was paranoid about somebody making off with his expensive collection with good reason. He had the best security systems he could afford and a vault style gun locker, it was like entering Fort Knox to see his arsenal. Unless you're mentally prepared to use deadly force and adequately trained in firearm use and safety then you shouldn't be allowed to buy firearms for personal safety, you're probably going to be more of a danger to yourself and others.

Things have changed now but in the early 1990s I simply walked into an Idaho gun store, pointed at a blackpowder rifle I wanted and the clerk rang it up right away after barely looking at my drivers licence which was still for BC at the time.

I agree with much....I would let citizens that passed a background check carry handguns, but only after passing a detailed course that included firearms safety, self-defense law, and a qualifying range test. In other words, I would let citizens carry as long as they were at least as qualified as your average police constable. In the states the CCW courses are often a complete joke, if they are even required...........amazingly, they have done very well anyway.

Why in the world would you need anything to buy a complicated, single shot, black powder rifle? When was the last time you heard of someone holding up a seven eleven with a Hawkins .54 caliber Plains Rifle? lol

 

[ironsides]

In most places you do not need a permit to buy a black powder weapon of any kind.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

I agree with much....I would let citizens that passed a background check carry handguns, but only after passing a detailed course that included firearms safety, self-defense law, and a qualifying range test. In other words, I would let citizens carry as long as they were at least as qualified as your average police constable. In the states the CCW courses are often a complete joke, if they are even required...........amazingly, they have done very well anyway.

Why in the world would you need anything to buy a complicated, single shot, black powder rifle? When was the last time you heard of someone holding up a seven eleven with a Hawkins .54 caliber Plains Rifle? lol

An early separate deer hunting season at the time, and a .50 Hawkins replica with maxi-hunter 410 grain bullets can drop a buck at 200 yards if you know what you're doing. And besides blackpowder shooting is fun as long as you don't forget to put the powder in before the bullet...which I've done. Then you end up trying to fill the powder chamber through the percussion nipple hole one grain at a time and hope you get enough in to blow the bullet out. Let's see someone who buys their ammo ready made do that.

In most places you do not need a permit to buy a black powder weapon of any kind.

I find that hard to believe.

Some of the most powerful big game rifles are blackpowder, I think a weapon that can blow a round straight through a rhino the long axis is pretty dangerous.

now we're talking home defence.:lol:

YouTube - .700 Nitro Express

 

[Colpy]

An early separate deer hunting season at the time, and a .50 Hawkins replica with maxi-hunter 410 grain bullets can drop a buck at 200 yards if you know what you're doing. And besides blackpowder shooting is fun as long as you don't forget to put the powder in before the bullet...which I've done. Then you end up trying to fill the powder chamber through the percussion nipple hole one grain at a time and hope you get enough in to blow the bullet out. Let's see someone who buys their ammo ready made do that.



I find that hard to believe.

Some of the most powerful big game rifles are blackpowder, I think a weapon that can blow a round straight through a rhino the long axis is pretty dangerous.

now we're talking home defence.:lol:

YouTube - .700 Nitro Express

Yep....I'd love to see your average gang-banger do a drive by with THAT sucker......

Home defense? Only if your home invasion are done by Hannibal.......with his elephants.

 

[YukonJack]

The only effective gun control: Sharp eyes and a steady hand.

 

[JLM]

The only effective gun control: Sharp eyes and a steady hand.

You're amusing.

 

[YukonJack]

You're amusing.

Thank you!

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

Yep....I'd love to see your average gang-banger do a drive by with THAT sucker......

Home defense? Only if your home invasion are done by Hannibal.......with his elephants.

Then there's the cheap alternative... the Idaho burglar alarm consists of a recording of a 12 gauge shell being pumped into the chamber that plays whenever an intruder trys to force open a door or window.

 

[petros]

One of Japan's high military commanders in WWII knew they could never win against the US and Canada even while we were manning and supplying the theatres in the Pacific, Africa, Italy, East and West fronts because he was educated in California and knew that almost every house had guns and the citizens knew how to use them.

We should be like the Dutch and Swiss in my opinion and arm every last one of us.

 

[Cliffy]

One of Japan's high military commanders in WWII knew they could never win against the US and Canada even while we were manning and supplying the theatres in the Pacific, Africa, Italy, East and West fronts because he was educated in California and knew that almost every house had guns and the citizens knew how to use them.

We should be like the Dutch and Swiss in my opinion and arm every last one of us.

I agree but... the Swiss train everybody between the age of 18 - 24 how to handle and be responsible for their weapons. We can't just go and arm everybody and not expect massive blood letting.

 

[Spade]

Besides, Switzerland is a civilized country!

 

[Cliffy]

Besides, Switzerland is a civilized country!

Good point!

 

[Spade]

Real gun control!

 

[petros]

Making weapons into plows would be great but the carbon creeps want to take away the plow too.

 

[ironsides]

Switzerland also trains their people thru mandatory reserve military service, when it is over they take their weapons home with them.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

Making weapons into plows would be great but the carbon creeps want to take away the plow too.

Just your plow, it's a safety issue.

 

[petros]

My plow has a thumbprint trigger lock. You can't fire the plow unless you're me.

Soon ALL weapons will and many weapon owners aren't going to like it.

 

[ironsides]

Your just arguing basic rights, from a person owning a gun to carrying a concealed weapon. (Those against any weapons are just trying to force their beliefs on others) In Florida, we can carry a concealed weapon, but now some want to do this.



This I do not agree with, in fact just found out about it today.
Should Floridians be allowed to carry weapons openly?



Gun control: Open-carry for Floridians? - South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

The 2nd amendment was created at a time when most of America was rural and the big threat was the return of the British Empire. It made sense to have an armed citizenry that could be called up at short notice to defend the nation.

Now a lot of 2nd Amendment supporters seem to think it was intended for use against fellow Americans creating a kind of perpetual low level civil war.

 

[ironsides]

No, owning a gun is just a basic 2nd Amendment right. I does prevent or make the goverment think twice about imposing laws upon us without first getting the approval of the people. (notice I said people, not politicians or despots who may come into power) not to mention other countries who have thought twice about invading us. We are potentially 330 million law biding armed citizens.

Now a lot of 2nd Amendment supporters seem to think it was intended for use against fellow Americans creating a kind of perpetual low level civil war.

Now, I have no idea where you came up with this statement. totally ridiculous.