RCMP's report on the long-gun registry
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The sob sisters would never approve of protecting your self from some poor misunderstood criminal. The approved method is to call for the police to come and protect you.
Just don't hold your breath waiting for help or you will die. of lack of oxygen.
Immediate fail. Assuming criminals are thinking rationally at all times is an epic fail in logic. If they were thinking logically at all, they wouldn't commit the crime in the first place.
The RCMP report itself lists 152 long gun homicides with registered long guns...
No matter what you say, you're never going to be able to convince me that the system is useless when a police officer can recover a murder weapon, and with a few keystrokes discover whom it belongs to....
152 times in fact, in the five years between 2003 and 2008.
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WHo the rifle belongs to and who used it are not necessarily one and the same. How many are suicides? How many were done by unregistered rifles? Therefore the registry is useless.
Duh....but if it's registered it provides an immediate avenue for investigators. What steps would be taken if it is not registered? How much time and effort to determine where, who, when the gun was accounted for by anyone? If the gun is registered, then you can start to ask immediately relevant questions.
Well, I said 152 homicides...so, none. If you want to know how many suicides were commmitted with registered weapons, then RTFR.
Not sure, but the number committed using registered weapons was not zero. It was 152.
You fail basic logic as well.
A registry of DNA is not useless because of the fact that not all people are registered in it's database.
Fail, epic fail.
Yep, pretty much. The bottom line is it is the criminals who the cops want to identify and having a whole slew of legal guns registered to law abiding people just complicates things. :smile:
Beside the point. How many of those murderers were tracked down solely through the rifle? That is the only salient figure.
No it isn't. The point is that in 152 murders, the officers were immediately able to track down the owner of the firearm. That is useful information, whether you can understand that or not.
And solely? That's ridiculous. Crimes are solved using full kit, all the tools available. No tool's worth is measured by what it can do alone. You can't build a house entirely with a #3 Robertson screwdriver. That doesn't mean it's useless now does it?
Wrong again- it's only useful information if in fact the owner was the murderer, but that doesn't prove a registry is necessary. If someone broke into my house and stole my rifle, it would be reported immediately.
And knowing the owner of the gun is one more piece of information that the police do have, than if there was no registration. Believe it or not, that's better than not knowing where it came from. Even if it was stolen, it's information that they have, and can adapt to.
How is this a hard concept to understand? Having more information is better than having less.
That is a ridiculous comment. Many crimes are commited for perfectly logical reasons.
The crime in question we were talking about is murder. When is murder a logical or reasonable course of action? Our legal system is specifically set-up from an assumption that it is not.
Sure except for the fact it costs $millions and it's going to do very little to reduce crime.
Logical and reasonable?
Let's see: our court system agrees that if you are, for example, an abused spouse, it is sometimes an acceptable solution.
That's but one example.
Legitimate self-defense does not constitute a murder. Murder is distinct from self-defense.
You're SJP, aren't you?
Oh, I didn't say that, and when I did, I meant something different anyway. You're still wrong, by the way.
And so please explain how having their guns registered prevented the murders???? Does placing a piece of paper beside the weapon make the victim less dead?
Please explain how a murder committed in the heat of passion was solved by gun registration?
In fact, please explain how many of the registered guns were registered to the person who commited the murder?
So, the vast majority of murders of passion are commited with knives....logically, one would think we should now create a knife registry........and if not, why not?
You should remember this study was carried out by the RCMP.....the same RCMP that defended the killing of a Polish immigrant, the same RCMP that ordered their members to refrain from criticizing the registry, now investigating itself and find that it is doing a wonderful job! Gee Whilikers!!
Good to see your post Colpy, I've been trying to explain it to Tonnington to no avail, but was wishing all the while that you would show up and explain it, so he'd have no more problem with it. I knew you could do it. :smile: