Fox News, North

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winniethepooh, the very words "FOX NEWS" set off alarm bells in the skulls (reluctant to say brains) of those who never watched it.

Yes I realize that, I do know that most Canadian condemning it, never watch it, they are just parroting it's opponents.

The problem is, know one that I know of has ever referred to the proposed news station as 'Fox', that is one of the reasons anyone signing that foreign petition has to be brain dead. It is based on assumption. unfounded allegations and is just a smear.

 

[ironsides]

Yes I realize that, I do know that most Canadian condemning it, never watch it, they are just parroting it's opponents.

The problem is, know one that I know of has ever referred to the proposed news station as 'Fox', that is one of the reasons anyone signing that foreign petition has to be brain dead. It is based on assumption. unfounded allegations and is just a smear.

Very good reply. :smile:

 

[Colpy]

George Schwartz, the Jewish Nazi

By Ezra Levant on September 4, 2010 10:50 PM | Permalink | Comments (48)

Have you ever heard of a Jewish Nazi? My new Sun column:
Moral hollowness at work
George Schwartz was born in Hungary in 1930 — not the luckiest time and place to be born a Jew.
George’s father Theodore tried to change the family’s fortunes by changing their name to something less Jewish-sounding. It didn’t help. And soon war came.
When the Nazis took total control of Hungary in 1944, the Holocaust followed. In two months, 440,000 Hungarian Jews were deported to death camps.
To survive, George, then a teenager, collaborated with the Nazis.
First he worked for the Judenrat. That was the Jewish council set up by the Nazis to do their dirty work for them. Instead of the Nazis rounding up Jews every day for the trains, they delegated that murderous task to Jews who were willing to do it to survive another day at the expense of their neighbours.
Theodore hatched a better plan for his son. He bribed a non-Jewish official at the agriculture ministry to let George live with him. George helped the official confiscate property from Jews.
By collaborating with the Nazis, George survived the Holocaust. He turned on other Jews to spare himself.
George moved to London after the war and then to New York, where he became a stockbroker. He’s rich now. Forbes magazine says he’s the 35th richest man in the world. Maybe you’ve heard of him. He goes by the name his father invented: George Soros.
How does Soros feel about what he did as a teenager? Has it kept him up at night?
Steve Kroft of 60 Minutes asked him that. Was it difficult? “Not at all,” Soros answered.
“No feeling of guilt?” asked Kroft. “No,” said Soros. “There was no sense that I shouldn’t be there. If I wasn’t doing it, somebody else would be taking it away anyhow. Whether I was there or not. So I had no sense of guilt.”
A Nazi would steal the Jews’ property anyways. So why not him?
That moral hollowness has shaped Soros’ life. He’s a rabid critic of capitalism, but in 1992 when he saw a chance, he speculated against the British pound, causing it to crash, devastating retirement savings for millions of Britons. Soros pocketed $1.1 billion for himself. If he didn’t do it, someone else would, right?
In 2002, Soros was convicted of insider trading in France, and fined millions of dollars. He admitted buying the shares, but denied it was a crime.
Last year, when he made $3.3 billion off the banking collapse, he called the world’s financial crisis “the culmination of my life’s work.”
This is a man who boasted he offered to help his mother commit suicide. Apparently he didn’t see enough death in Hungary.
Soros is a sociopath. But he’s a sociopath with $14 billion, and he likes to spend it on politics.
Sometimes his gifts are large, like the $24 million he spent in 2004, trying to defeat George W. Bush. Sometimes they’re small, like $20,000 to a woman convicted of helping terrorists.
Now Soros has turned his attention to Canada.
One of his front groups, called Avaaz, is lobbying to stop Sun Media’s license for a TV news channel. Soros doesn’t know anything about Canada — Avaaz called the Sun newspapers the “Suncor newspapers” — but we’re his latest toy.
Avaaz is sending a petition to Canada’s TV regulator, the CRTC, claiming that thousands of Canadians want to censor the Sun and keep it off the air.
The petition is a fraud — it’s an Internet petition, and anyone can sign anyone else up without their permission. Fake names are permitted, and so are foreign citizens. And the whole campaign is run out of New York.
Do you think Soros should determine what you can watch on TV? Do you think that decision should be made in New York? Is our freedom of speech just another trinket for him to buy and sell?
Hasn’t Soros silenced enough voices in his life?
Fight back.

 

[Bcool]

George Soros/Schwartz György was 13, thirteen, years old when the Nazi's came to town... Sheesh!

George Soros - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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By collaborating with the Nazis, George survived the Holocaust. He turned on other Jews to spare himself.
George moved to London after the war and then to New York, where he became a stockbroker. He’s rich now. Forbes magazine says he’s the 35th richest man in the world. Maybe you’ve heard of him. He goes by the name his father invented: George Soros.
How does Soros feel about what he did as a teenager? Has it kept him up at night?
Steve Kroft of 60 Minutes asked him that. Was it difficult? “Not at all,” Soros answered.
“No feeling of guilt?” asked Kroft. “No,” said Soros. “There was no sense that I shouldn’t be there. If I wasn’t doing it, somebody else would be taking it away anyhow. Whether I was there or not. So I had no sense of guilt.”

At first I thought the accusation of him being a Nazi collaborator must be anti-NWO hype, but is this for real?!? Does he really not deny it?!?

A Nazi would steal the Jews’ property anyways. So why not him?
That moral hollowness has shaped Soros’ life. He’s a rabid critic of capitalism, but in 1992 when he saw a chance, he speculated against the British pound, causing it to crash, devastating retirement savings for millions of Britons. Soros pocketed $1.1 billion for himself. If he didn’t do it, someone else would, right?
In 2002, Soros was convicted of insider trading in France, and fined millions of dollars. He admitted buying the shares, but denied it was a crime.

Ugh. I'm not anti-Semite... heck, one of the kids was pulled out of my loins by what I thought was a very love-able Montreal Jewess who left me with a smug look on her face that still ticks me off to this day the day she learned she was pregnant (and don't give me grief... if you're male then you know we all do it as much as we can) and she never made bones about how, as far as she and her family were concerned, it was all about taking as much from the system as can be done, for the system had never loved them. Her grandfather came to Canada from the US with $50K sewn into his coat, and her frikkin' uncle was the longest running member of parliament, and I'm the only reason her kids (of which only the oldest was mine and I was only there because the guy she left me for committed suicide when the kids were still young) are half-sane, and she freaked when I told her youngest daughter to not be a copy-cat with a secret selfish agenda, and... and if it's possible for a group of remoras to gang up to feed off and encourage a shark, does that make for a society enabling toxic remoras to hiding under its cover?... and I apologize for digressing... but I think I might know the type.

Last year, when he made $3.3 billion off the banking collapse, he called the world’s financial crisis “the culmination of my life’s work.”

I want to hurt him. I had to lay people off.

This is a man who boasted he offered to help his mother commit suicide. Apparently he didn’t see enough death in Hungary.
Soros is a sociopath. But he’s a sociopath with $14 billion, and he likes to spend it on politics.
Sometimes his gifts are large, like the $24 million he spent in 2004, trying to defeat George W. Bush. Sometimes they’re small, like $20,000 to a woman convicted of helping terrorists.

Huh?!? This can't be serious. If so, he's psychotic.

Now Soros has turned his attention to Canada.
One of his front groups, called Avaaz, is lobbying to stop Sun Media’s license for a TV news channel. Soros doesn’t know anything about Canada — Avaaz called the Sun newspapers the “Suncor newspapers” — but we’re his latest toy.
Avaaz is sending a petition to Canada’s TV regulator, the CRTC, claiming that thousands of Canadians want to censor the Sun and keep it off the air.
The petition is a fraud — it’s an Internet petition, and anyone can sign anyone else up without their permission. Fake names are permitted, and so are foreign citizens. And the whole campaign is run out of New York.
Do you think Soros should determine what you can watch on TV? Do you think that decision should be made in New York? Is our freedom of speech just another trinket for him to buy and sell?
Hasn’t Soros silenced enough voices in his life?
Fight back.

Okee dokee... if this is true, then I, the supreme court of consciousness, does declare that SUN TV be admitted to Canada, but not with a Category 1 "Must Carry" license.

If these reports about Soros are true, and if his fear is that SUN TV will report on him in a light to expose his evil intent, then public demand will be sufficient to have the carriers offering it as part of their standard package.

 

[Bcool]

At first I thought the accusation of him being a Nazi collaborator must be anti-NWO hype, but is this for real?!? Does he really not deny it?!?

Maybe it would be a good idea to do some homework yourself rather than take the word of a poster that quotes almost word for word from the ultra right, TP web sites. I repeat, he was thirteeen years old when the Nazis went into Hungary in 1944.

Ugh. I'm not anti-Semite... heck, one of the kids was pulled out of my loins by what I thought was a very love-able Montreal Jewess who left me with a smug look on her face that still ticks me off to this day the day she learned she was pregnant (and don't give me grief... if you're male then you know we all do it as much as we can) and she never made bones about how, as far as she and her family were concerned, it was all about taking as much from the system as can be done, for the system had never loved them. Her grandfather came to Canada from the US with $50K sewn into his coat, and her frikkin' uncle was the longest running member of parliament, and I'm the only reason her kids (of which only the oldest was mine and I was only there because the guy she left me for committed suicide when the kids were still young) are half-sane, and she freaked when I told her youngest daughter to not be a copy-cat with a secret selfish agenda, and... and if it's possible for a group of remoras to gang up to feed off and encourage a shark, does that make for a society enabling toxic remoras to hiding under its cover?... and I apologize for digressing... but I think I might know the type.

Re your first sentence and then what followed.... You're not anti-Semite? You could have fooled me!! Why not "love-able (sic) Montreal woman"? And not too pleasant about the ladies and what you use them for, huh? :angry1:

I want to hurt him. I had to lay people off.

It's not Soros's fault that he knew enough about the investment biz to not get zapped, not nice that he and a few others profited hugely from it, thanks to Bush & Co. You know, the guy various 527 groups were trying to prevent get re-elected in 2004 that Soros donated $24 million dollars to. Most smart Canadian investment companies investing in the Canadian economy didn't get zapped, nor Can banks, nor Can home owners with mortgages, nor Can employment. And its not as if he didn't try to warn people:

"Soros' May 2008 book, The New Paradigm for Financial Markets, described a "superbubble" that had built up over the past 25 years and was ready to collapse. This was the third in a series of books he's written that have predicted disaster. As he states:

I have a record of crying wolf.... I did it first in The Alchemy of Finance (in 1987), then in The Crisis of Global Capitalism in 1998 and now in this book. So it's three books predicting disaster. (After) the boy cried wolf three times . . . the wolf really came.
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He ascribes his own success to being able to recognize when his predictions are wrong. "I'm only rich because I know when I'm wrong... I basically have survived by recognizing my mistakes. I very often used to get backaches due to the fact that I was wrong. Whenever you are wrong you have to fight or [take] flight. When make the decision, the backache goes away ." " George Soros - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"According to Soros, market fundamentalism with its assumption that markets will correct themselves with no need for government intervention in financial affairs has been "some kind of an ideological excess". In Soros' view, the markets' moods — a "mood" of the markets being a prevailing bias or optimism/pessimism with which the markets look at reality — "actually can reinforce themselves so that there are these initially self-reinforcing but eventually unsustainable and self-defeating boom/bust sequences or bubbles" "

If you, in the investment biz I believe you said?, had been convinced of what was going to happen ahead of time, you'd have bet agaonst the market too, no?

That doesn't mean I'm defending him, I need to learn more about him; nor do I like the investment biz and paper billionaires with that kind of power. But I do like truth.

Okee dokee... if this is true, then I, the supreme court of consciousness, does declare that SUN TV be admitted to Canada, but not with a Category 1 "Must Carry" license.

"If"?!! You're going to just go with it and do a U-turn on your own thread OP?!! No checking of facts, nothing?!!

If these reports about Soros are true, and if his fear is that SUN TV will report on him in a light to expose his evil intent, then public demand will be sufficient to have the carriers offering it as part of their standard package.

Again with the "If" question! Immediately followed up with "evil intent". 'Strewth! Would you make an investment in something based on a single biased source, unanswered questions and no investigation of the facts for yourself? Lawks!

Shana Tova! FYI, its Rosh Hashanah. :-|
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I was just thinking out loud. The only thing I care about (other than the one I love) is that this nation be a safe place to raise kids.

After that I mostly just get headaches, which you releaved with your excellent and brilliant rantings of insight.

 

[winniethepooh]

There's a lot about Soros to complain about, I think Ezra should've left that alone.

The left are still howling and hysterical over this application, what is it with them, why are they so selective as to who gets to have freedom of choice and media. Surely CRTC would not take a foreign sponsored petition full of innuendo and smears into consideration.

I do think that this has ( or should have) made people more aware as to who really believes in free speech, because it's not the left.

 

[Omicron]

There's a lot about Soros to complain about, I think Ezra should've left that alone.

The left are still howling and hysterical over this application, what is it with them, why are they so selective as to who gets to have freedom of choice and media. Surely CRTC would not take a foreign sponsored petition full of innuendo and smears into consideration.

I do think that this has ( or should have) made people more aware as to who really believes in free speech, because it's not the left.

The issue has to do with SUN TV demanding category 1 "Must Carry" status.

It means the sponsors of SUN TV are fighting against "freedom of choice and media".

 

[winniethepooh]

The issue for most people is whether or not we should have a conservative all news channel, they don't care about categories etc. That's spin, even the name given by it's detractors is spin - not to mention that I too wonder why Americans are so afraid of us having a choice on our news lineups, they have no dog in this hunt.

If people wanted 'freedom and choice' then they would be against CBC getting 65M a year from it's licence, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Besides, they have changed their application, but when putting forward a business plan it only makes sense to go for the top, you don't start asking for the bottom layer first. Not to mention choice is simply a matter of turning the dial, one does not have to watch anything they don't want to.

 

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The issue for most people is whether or not we should have a conservative all news channel,

Hmm... given how news is supposed to be objective, how does any "news" channel get off calling itself "news" when it's propagating information with an embedded agenda?

they don't care about categories etc.

Then they're not paying attention to what the real issue is, which is whether or not it should be granted a Category 1 "Must Carry" license.

That's spin, even the name given by it's detractors is spin

Well, speaking of "spin", it's kind of curious how those opposed to granting Sun TV a Cat. 1 license would find it so easy to get support simply by shouting out that someone wants to set up a Plutocrat-defending op/ed "news" channel without even having to get into the details of how the issue is about the license categorization...

It means Plutocrats have done a terrible job of "spinning" what they do, although it's had to see how they *could* spin what they do. Ninety-nine percent of the time, the only thing Plutocrats can do to defend their position is to keep a low profile and try to have any talk about what they do shut up...

Which raises the question of what purpose things like Fox News serves at all... one theory is that it's like how in the book 1984, Big Brother would beat people while telling them that are loved, such that those who'd survived Big Brother torture would sit in front of the TV and sob through broken noses how they loved Big Brother.

Similarly, people are constantly feeling beat up by an economy that will report 3% growth, yet 95% of the people do not a see a 3% growth of income, so some people need to hear it said over and over again that what they're experiencing is good for them in the long run, just take your lumps and some day you'll start to experience the benefits of Plutocratic rule, and so they sit in front of Fox News, sobbing love to Plutocratic Big Brother rule while being beat up by it.

- not to mention that I too wonder why Americans are so afraid of us having a choice on our news lineups, they have no dog in this hunt.

If you dig deep, you find that Americans are just the font-men for the pitch. Behind it all is Rupert Murdoch, who's never been able to dig a toe-hold into Canada like he's wanted to (he was faced with too much competition from Conrad Black).

If people wanted 'freedom and choice' then they would be against CBC getting 65M a year from it's licence, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

What do you mean "getting 65M a year *from* it's license"?

Are you talking about how the CBC gets public funds to operate?

In this country people tried to operate a middle-ground news channel with private funding, and it didn't work.

It was an FM 24/7 news channel called CKO, and it was a private enterprise that was supposed to pay for itself by selling advertising, and it had a tremendously loyal audience in that category consisting of the top 15% IQ range.

The top 15% IQ are the people who become the doctors and lawyers and engineers and top-level civil servants, and it's impossible to maintain an industrial/information economy without them, but the thing is... none of them were fooled by advertising, so CKO could not sell advertising, because marketing agencies, worked as they were by people who listened to CKO, knew that none of the advertising they were selling would work on themselves.

An option was for that top 15% IQ class to voluntarily donate money to keep it going, but this is where Canada falls flat on its face and should be ashamed of itself compared to Americans, which is that in the US there is a very strong tradition of philanthropy to keep things like PBS and Harpers Magazine going (yes, Harpers magazine, considered to be so "leftish" by many neocons, does not make enough selling advertising to keep itself going because advertisers know that Harpers mag. readers are not fooled by advertising, rather, it depends on funding from a private foundation) whereas in Canada, I'm sorry to say, there is no tradition of philanthropy... in fact, Canadians piss on rich people who try to be philanthropists, because they'll be accused of trying to look important, when in fact they're just trying to help.

It means that to have an objective middle-ground news channel presenting the kind of information the 15% aperatsk require in order to keep the country running, public funds have to be used to keep things like CBC going, and this was first realized by PM Bennet, who was a Torie! He knew better than anyone that his core right-wing constituents would not voluntarily fund a news source of the sort that would be vital to keep a modern society informed. Today we also have CTV and Global, but they didn't exist in Bennet's time, and standards set by CBC are what keep CTV and Global in line.

Besides, they have changed their application, but when putting forward a business plan it only makes sense to go for the top, you don't start asking for the bottom layer first.

It only makes "sense" if you've been in business for awhile and know how it works. I know of so many people who tried to go into business, and who would attempt to make deals by starting from a rational position, and would be stomped by the hyper-competitive MBAs who really should have been in professional sports but couldn't qualify on physical-talent grounds.

I came from a research background before thinking it might be interesting to see what life as an entrepreneur would be like (which was still doing research, in a way) and I got the snot kicked out of me for the first three years until I resigned myself to accepting that the people I would be negotiating deals with were wired up to play the game by asking for the sun, the moon and the stars as their opening bid, no matter how ridiculous that is, and so finally one day I made the hard decision to swallow my pride and start negotiating that way, and I survived when 97% of others starting at the same time went bankrupt. I still hate having to negotiate that way because it can feel *so* neanderthalish, but - *shrug* - that's how they like to play.

Which means... *I* knew that when those guys were asking for a Cat 1 license that it was probably not what they were really shooting for. They probably just wanted to have a channel up here, and if they appeared to be making concessions, their opponents would back off feeling like *they* won something, when in fact the Sun TV guys are going to be sitting in a lounge sipping martinis and chuckling how they got exactly what they wanted, and never really expected a cat 1 license in the first place, but by asking for it, their opposition never noticed that they'd surrendered what Sun TV had really wanted all along, and if they had got the cat 1 license, they would have been surprised, and would have shrugged and payed themselves a bonus.

Not to mention choice is simply a matter of turning the dial, one does not have to watch anything they don't want to.

Yeah... except it's a special-interest channel, and if you start letting one special-interest channel into the Must Carry category, you have to let all the others in as well, and that's where you're going to get Rogers and Shaw pissed off that they can't have the optional-channels category to charge a premium on.

 

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The issue for most people is whether or not we should have a conservative all news channel, they don't care about categories etc. That's spin, even the name given by it's detractors is spin - not to mention that I too wonder why Americans are so afraid of us having a choice on our news lineups, they have no dog in this hunt.

If people wanted 'freedom and choice' then they would be against CBC getting 65M a year from it's licence, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Besides, they have changed their application, but when putting forward a business plan it only makes sense to go for the top, you don't start asking for the bottom layer first. Not to mention choice is simply a matter of turning the dial, one does not have to watch anything they don't want to.

No one that I know of in the U.S. is afraid of any TV network Canada gets, FOX news is just another perspective other than usual Canadian Broadcasting networks. I am pretty sure that what ever they call FOX news up there, it will have a Canadian Conservative flavor. Why are liberals so afraid of free speech, seems they have the same problem in the U.S.. I do know that most liberal talk radio stations go off the air after a few years. Conservative stations just seem more interesting.

 

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No one that I know of in the U.S. is afraid of any TV network Canada gets, FOX news is just another perspective other than usual Canadian Broadcasting networks. I am pretty sure that what ever they call FOX news up there, it will have a Canadian Conservative flavor.

Again... the issue was about asking for a category 1 "Must Carry" license, and you'd have to live here for awhile to understand how loopy Fox News looks from an average Canadian perspective.

To Americans, Fox News is speaking to an attitude found in maybe 30-40% of the US population, with the rest figuring those people and their televangelists are just part of the landscape to be navigated around and ignored as much as possible, whereas the attitude that a Sun TV would speak to is found in only 10-15% of Canadians, and most of them are pushed into one province, outside of that provinces big cities, so to a Canuck, Fox News represents something that's way out on the fringe - not semi-mainstream like it is in the US - which is why it's silly for them to have asked for a category 1 license. Al Jazeera got a license to broadcast their English channel via satellite in Canada, but no cable operator is required to carry it; they didn't even try to ask for a category 1 license.

Why are liberals so afraid of free speech,

They're not. For those who understood the issue, it was just a licensing issue, and for the rest, it smacked of "thin edge of the wedge" US plutocratic big-brother-ism pushing north, although that's already happened in the form the the Conservative Party, who's leader understands how upset Canadians would be if they knew what his party's really got in store for them, such that he doesn't even try to sell his agenda... rather, all members of his party have standing gag-order, which mean...

Hmm...:idea:

Actually, if Sun TV were to start reporting and op/editing on Harper's actual agenda, then even though Sun TV would be reporting it in a way to try and make it look good, still, for most Canadians, it will be the first time any of them will have actually heard anything about what Harper/Day and their Conservative Party are about, so in that respect Sun TV would be providing a service...

But how are the station programmers going to take it when they tell the Conservatives that they *want* to talk about the Conservative agenda in positive, glowing terms, and Harper tells them to shut up and play Tom and Jerry cartoons because there is *no way* to make the Harper agenda look good, not even by commentators seasoned by Fox News.

Hmm... :?

seems they have the same problem in the U.S.. I do know that most liberal talk radio stations go off the air after a few years. Conservative stations just seem more interesting.

It's because the liberal stations can't get advertising, but interestingness of content isn't a problem. During trips to the US I would turn the dial and find myself listening to liberal FM stations here and there (Seattle, San Fran, Boston, etc.) and they were very interesting... far more extreme and passionate about their liberalism than anything "liberal" I ever heard on air in Canada, although these guys - who've been around like forever - sometimes come out with some fairly extreme stuff Vancouver Co-op Radio, plus if you can speak french, there are stations in Quebec that will scorch your socks off.

 

[Avro]

Ah yes, the so called hidden agenda.:roll:

Give me a break....out of all the politicians in Federal politics Harper has shown to be the most capable of governing..

 

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Ah yes, the so called hidden agenda.:roll:

Yeah, well, if it's not hidden, how come he refuses to answer questions like why he's doing things like erasing the regulations to protect rivers and lakes from pollution.

And how come *none* of his ministers will every return calls from the press, and how come their chair is *always* empty at candidates debates?

Give me a break....out of all the politicians in Federal politics Harper has shown to be the most capable of governing..

Only because he's been held on a leash by his government having minority status. He has to maintain at least the appearance of being a Governor instead of the Ruler that him and Day want to be, but which they can't without majority status.

If he ever got a majority it would be time to emigrate, which would be ironic, because during the Bush/Cheney years I met dozens of American's who'd moved north because they were getting freaked by stunts like the Patriot Act, so it would mean the tide will have turned the other way.

 

[Cliffy]

Ah yes, the so called hidden agenda.:roll:

Give me a break....out of all the politicians in Federal politics Harper has shown to be the most capable of governing..

He may be the most capable but is he something that Canadians can live with. Just look at some of the stuff he is trying to pull with the prison system, hookers and on and on. Give the guy a majority and watch the jack boots come out.

 

[Avro]

He may be the most capable but is he something that Canadians can live with. Just look at some of the stuff he is trying to pull with the prison system, hookers and on and on. Give the guy a majority and watch the jack boots come out.

Sorry, I don't buy it.

Nothing more than Lib fear mongering.

 

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Again... the issue was about asking for a category 1 "Must Carry" license, and you'd have to live here for awhile to understand how loopy Fox News looks from an average Canadian perspective.

To Americans, Fox News is speaking to an attitude found in maybe 30-40% of the US population, with the rest figuring those people and their televangelists are just part of the landscape to be navigated around and ignored as much as possible, whereas the attitude that a Sun TV would speak to is found in only 10-15% of Canadians, and most of them are pushed into one province, outside of that provinces big cities, so to a Canuck, Fox News represents something that's way out on the fringe - not semi-mainstream like it is in the US - which is why it's silly for them to have asked for a category 1 license. Al Jazeera got a license to broadcast their English channel via satellite in Canada, but no cable operator is required to carry it; they didn't even try to ask for a category 1 license.
They're not. For those who understood the issue, it was just a licensing issue, and for the rest, it smacked of "thin edge of the wedge" US plutocratic big-brother-ism pushing north, although that's already happened in the form the the Conservative Party, who's leader understands how upset Canadians would be if they knew what his party's really got in store for them, such that he doesn't even try to sell his agenda... rather, all members of his party have standing gag-order, which mean...

Hmm...:idea:

Actually, if Sun TV were to start reporting and op/editing on Harper's actual agenda, then even though Sun TV would be reporting it in a way to try and make it look good, still, for most Canadians, it will be the first time any of them will have actually heard anything about what Harper/Day and their Conservative Party are about, so in that respect Sun TV would be providing a service...

But how are the station programmers going to take it when they tell the Conservatives that they *want* to talk about the Conservative agenda in positive, glowing terms, and Harper tells them to shut up and play Tom and Jerry cartoons because there is *no way* to make the Harper agenda look good, not even by commentators seasoned by Fox News.

Hmm... :?

It's because the liberal stations can't get advertising, but interestingness of content isn't a problem. During trips to the US I would turn the dial and find myself listening to liberal FM stations here and there (Seattle, San Fran, Boston, etc.) and they were very interesting... far more extreme and passionate about their liberalism than anything "liberal" I ever heard on air in Canada, although these guys - who've been around like forever - sometimes come out with some fairly extreme stuff Vancouver Co-op Radio, plus if you can speak french, there are stations in Quebec that will scorch your socks off.

Now you hit the nail on the head, why is it Conservative stations seem to be able to draw in advertising and the Liberal stations cannot? So if FOX meets the requirements, it should be issued a license. If Canadians don't like it, I'm sure the Canadian branch would just go out of business it will be supported by advertising as it is in the U.S. (unless some law prevents that). Al Jazeera can be picked up here also via satellite, but I wouldn't even compare them with FOX. To be truthful, I watch BBC if I want some topic sorted out. I find NBC and CBS on the extreme left here, but they all have a show or two I watch. We have a pretty large population of 'Snow Birds" from Quebec that winter here in Florida, I enjoy speaking to them (in English).

 

[Avro]

Now you hit the nail on the head, why is it Conservative stations seem to be able to draw in advertising and the Liberal stations cannot? So if FOX meets the requirements, it should be issued a license. If Canadians don't like it, I'm sure the Canadian branch would just go out of business it will be supported by advertising as it is in the U.S. (unless some law prevents that). Al Jazeera can be picked up here also via satellite, but I wouldn't even compare them with FOX. To be truthful, I watch BBC if I want some topic sorted out. I find NBC and CBS on the extreme left here, but they all have a show or two I watch. We have a pretty large population of 'Snow Birds" from Quebec that winter here in Florida, I enjoy speaking to them (in English).

If they have trouble drawing in advertising why do NBC and CBS still exsist.

BBC?

You mean the left arm of the socialist Europeans?

 

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If they have trouble drawing in advertising why do NBC and CBS still exsist.

BBC?

You mean the left arm of the socialist Europeans?

There not drawing in like they used to, FOX no matter what people say seems to be doing fairly well. Yup, those lefty socialists. :lol: