Tories To Waste Billons On New Fighter Jets

[Colpy]

No I didn't... although I've heard his career has been filled with lots of myth.
Indeed, dirigibles are not mighty forces for defense. As already noted by others, the issue isn't early detection and protection from an attack coming over the pole... the issue is that in order for Canada to justify it's claim of the north before the court of the Haig, it needs to show it can take care of it, with patrol, surveilance and rescue, which dirigibles can do fantastically.

Crumb, given how gas-heating is part of what creates lift, it means the colder the air, the better the lift.
I read that the issue of Billy Bishop actually having shot down the Red Baron is not certain, but hey... call it early good spin-doctoring... maybe the first time Toronto discovered it has a brain... still... if anyone could have been cool enough to explain to French Canada early on how brilliant they are, we could have been piping movies down to the US at volumes greater and of a quality finer than anything Hollywood was doing.


I know this is off thread, but... am I the only guy here who heard the story about how in WW-I the Canadian rep general physically attacked and then verbally abused and challenged the Brit-General in a meeting where if the Brit-general didn't start treating Canadian forces like they were something other than fodder, then all alliances were off, until the Brit-general complied?

Then the grunts did Vimy ridge, and the fate was sealed... Canada is a real nation... Lord God help this dominion.

First of all, no one that knows their arse from their elbow ever claimed Billy Bishop shot down Richtoffen. The credit for killing the infamous Red Baron was given to Captain Roy Brown............a Canadian who jumped the Red Baron as he was in pursuit of another famous Canadian, Hop May. The doubt on the issue is that the Baron may have been killed by ground fire.........

General Sir Arthur Currie did no such thing in the First World War.......in World War One we were still a full colony of the Crown, automatically at war when Britain went to war, more British than the British, and constitutionally unable to buck the Brits in any serious manner.

I see your knowledge of history matches your knowledge of military affairs.....

Trudeau? You've GOT to be kidding!

 

[CDNBear]

I see your knowledge of history matches your knowledge of military affairs.....

I figured that out when I challenged his belief in the myth about Sam Steele, and got an over dose of wikiality in response.

Trudeau? You've GOT to be kidding!

Terrifyingly enough, he isn't.

 

[Kakato]

I love reading about Hop May,one tough S.O.B. and an awesome pilot.

 

[Omicron]

General Sir Arthur Currie did no such thing in the First World War.......

Well, that's what I heard in a radio documentary...

Trudeau? You've GOT to be kidding!

No I'm not kidding. Before Trudeau English Canada was a parochial backwater, and he pulled it into the 20th century.

You know, your mind seems to be working in an odd way: Specifically, it's almost like you're thinking that if buying dirigibles is something that Trudeau would do, and because you don't like Trudeau, therefore the idea of patrolling with dirigibles is bad. Is that how you think?

Anyway, back to the theme of the thread, which is Ottawa pissing away $16 billion on fancy fighter-bombers that have use only if Canada is to be part of a coalition intent on *starting* a war...

One hunch is that those F-35s were sitting in storage with no buyers, so someone twisted Haprer's arm into buying them, just like the Brits had four subs that they'd built and then determined for themselves to be useless, such that they'd parked them, and then somehow someone talked Ottawa into buying them... It's like we're the sucker buyers for everyone elses pointless surplus hardware.

In any case, several have noted that what we really need is good northern patrol, both in the air and in the seas.

Someone said that in a game of diplomacy, Russians have been sneaking around planting Russian flags on the ocean floor.

Well, then the "diplomatic" thing to do would be to equip a Canadian sub with Canadarms tweaked for working in water instead of a vacuum, and follow the Russians around, and pluck the flags everywhere they plant one.

 

[CDNBear]

Well, that's what I heard in a radio documentary...

You sure it wasn't a serial?

No I'm not kidding. Before Trudeau English Canada was a parochial backwater, and he pulled it into the 20th century.

For someone who mentioned facts, you sure are light on them when making big old fabricated assertions.

Anyway, back to the theme of the thread, which is Ottawa pissing away $16 billion on fancy fighter-bombers that have use only if Canada is to be part of a coalition intent on *starting* a war...

Ya, that's all we've done with the fighters of our past...

One hunch is that those F-35s were sitting in storage with no buyers, so someone twisted Haprer's arm into buying them, just like the Brits had four subs that they'd built and then determined for themselves to be useless, such that they'd parked them, and then somehow someone talked Ottawa into buying them... It's like we're the sucker buyers for everyone elses pointless surplus hardware

Ya, you might want to brush up that, since we've been involved in the program from the near get go. Including having a large part of the aerotech industry in Canada, being a part of the build.

so for that nonsensical comment, you get another...

Several have noted that what we really need is good northern patrol, both in the air and in the seas.

Planes fly in the air eh.

Someone said that in a game of diplomacy, Russians have been sneaking around planting Russian flags on the ocean floor.

Well, then the "diplomatic" thing to do would be to equip a Canadian sub with Canadarms tweaked for working in water instead of a vacuum, and follow the Russians around, and pluck the flags everywhere they plant one.

You just keep begging me for these.

 

[EagleSmack]

One hunch is that those F-35s were sitting in storage with no buyers, so someone twisted Haprer's arm into buying them, just like the Brits had four subs that they'd built and then determined for themselves to be useless, such that they'd parked them, and then somehow someone talked Ottawa into buying them... It's like we're the sucker buyers for everyone elses pointless surplus hardware.

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F-35's are hardly surplus and as CDN stated, Canada has been involved in the F-35 Program from the start.

 

[Omicron]

F-35's are hardly surplus and as CDN stated, Canada has been involved in the F-35 Program from the start.

Yeah, well they're still pointless unless Canada's got plans to start a war.

We should be spending the money on tactical subs, icebreakers, and dirigibles for northern patrol.

Speaking of dirigibles, check out the scale of the hanger the Germans built for assembling the airships:

Note the three people in the lower left-hand corner.

 

[EagleSmack]

Planes fly in the air eh.

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As the Great Omicron has declared regarding blimps...


" Ultimately they're just subs in the air"


And he knows people in the USAF that evaluate war games...so he knows what he's talking about.

 

[CDNBear]

Yeah, well they're still pointless unless Canada's got plans to start a war.

Ya, those CF 18's suffered from the same problem. Never got any use as border patrol, escort or SAR missions.

Go figure.

We should be spending the money on tactical subs, icebreakers, and dirigibles for northern patrol.

OOOh, tactical subs, back to that first strike capability eh?

Speaking of dirigibles, check out the scale of the hanger the Germans built for assembling the airships:

Note the three people in the lower left-hand corner.

Ya, I wonder how much that contract will cost to build them in the far north...

 

[taxslave]

Perhaps new warships are what is required. The ones we currently have were not even able to stop an unarmed ship full of terrorists from landing on our shores.

 

[CDNBear]

As the Great Omicron has declared regarding blimps...


" Ultimately they're just subs in the air"


And he knows people in the USAF that evaluate war games...so he knows what he's talking about.

 

[Kakato]

At -70 those blimps would have to be made from sealskin to survive without shattering into a billion pieces in the Arctic winter.

 

[Omicron]

Perhaps new warships are what is required. The ones we currently have were not even able to stop an unarmed ship full of terrorists from landing on our shores.

If we had subs, we could have snuck up on the boat, shot out a chain tipped with a big magnet, latched onto the boat, and start tugging it away from shore.

They'd be confused and would be wondering what's happening, and then we get the FX guys from the film industry in Vancouver to project a laser holograph through the fog or onto a cloud like this so they'll think they're being pushed away by a mighty Hindu deity:

 

[EagleSmack]

At -70 those blimps would have to be made from sealskin to survive without shattering into a billion pieces in the Arctic winter.

Very interesting!


Rebuttle?

 

[Omicron]

At -70 those blimps would have to be made from sealskin to survive without shattering into a billion pieces in the Arctic winter.
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Very interesting!

Rebuttle?

:roll: We can salvage the Atlantic sealskin harvest by asking Russians to start patching holes in the International Space Station with Canadian sealskin.

 

[Kakato]

I've seen brand new fords fresh off the barge die in -50.
Frozen gas shocks,plastic parts self destructing in minutes under any shock,filters that couldnt filter out the tiny arctic ice crystals,electronics that would shut you down for no reason other then they couldnt take the cold.

I've see brand new caterpillar machinery fresh off the barge that would go a day before hoses and lines cracked,filters also plugging solid triggerring the computer to shut it down.Ironically cheesecloth or a gunny sack makes a better air filter.

Nothing plastic has a very long lifespan in that environment.
Thats why the rangers still use dogsleds and fur while doing patrols.:lol:

 

[lone wolf]

Yeah, well they're still pointless unless Canada's got plans to start a war.

We should be spending the money on tactical subs, icebreakers, and dirigibles for northern patrol.

Speaking of dirigibles, check out the scale of the hanger the Germans built for assembling the airships:

Note the three people in the lower left-hand corner.

Cool place to set up a home theatre...

 

[Omicron]

I've seen brand new fords fresh off the barge die in -50.
Frozen gas shocks,plastic parts self destructing in minutes under any shock,filters that couldnt filter out the tiny arctic ice crystals,electronics that would shut you down for no reason other then they couldnt take the cold.

I've see brand new caterpillar machinery fresh off the barge that would go a day before hoses and lines cracked,filters also plugging solid triggerring the computer to shut it down.Ironically cheesecloth or a gunny sack makes a better air filter.

Nothing plastic has a very long lifespan in that environment.
Thats why the rangers still use dogsleds and fur while doing patrols.:lol:

Well, I think it goes without saying, but the dirigibles would be built for a wide temperature tolerance, given the fact that they're expected to move through the atmosphere, plus I think part of the lift is supposed to come from cycling lift-gas to cool the engines, so they're supposed to stay warm, although -70 is getting kind'a extreme... hmm.

But your observations of equipment failure has got me curious...

Have you had a chance to see how things made of silicone rubber/plastic do at those temperatures?

 

[Kakato]

Well, I think it goes without saying, but the dirigibles would be built for a wide temperature tolerance, given the fact that they're expected to move through the atmosphere.

But your observations of equipment failure has got me curious...

Have you had a chance to see how things made of silicone rubber/plastic do at those temperatures?

Yes,thats why we allways went with fur boots and mitts and clothing,rubber and plastic doesnt last long at all.

 

[Omicron]

Yes,thats why we allways went with fur boots and mitts and clothing,rubber and plastic doesnt last long at all.

Yeah, but traditional rubbers and plastics are carbon based.

Ever seen how rubber and plastics that are silicone based do?

I've tinkered around with silicone rubbers, and it's frankly freaky how strong they are.