The big problem is where do we draw the line between fact and fiction, or can we do that ? There are things in the media that are true, there are things in history that are true and false, so what we might be saying as a kinda blanket thing "Repeated, reapeated, repeated, repeated information being at least distorted or even untrue through the media deserves to be challenged, and this issue of the past regaring a specific people might enter into that mindset ?
It Seems Impossible (Declaring the Holocaust a Myth)
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The big problem is where do we draw the line between fact and fiction, or can we do that ? There are things in the media that are true, there are things in history that are true and false, so what we might be saying as a kinda blanket thing "Repeated, reapeated, repeated, repeated information being at least distorted or even untrue through the media deserves to be challenged, and this issue of the past regaring a specific people might enter into that mindset ?
I agree but only if you do not mind being raked over the coals by some on here who would rather shoot you or call you a Jooooo hater for doing so or being dragged up before the so called Human Rights Commission. There are many issues that have been completely misrepresented by the press and other media, the G20 fiasco in TO is one of that comes to mind.
According too ?
I think if you dig a little you may find that the IRC might have a different view.
All those sad and pathetic visions of men and women in a state of starvation that is put before us a fact beyond repute is undenialble , but was it a cause of deliberate policy or the unfortunate consequences of a war that is very unforgiving to the vulnerable ?
So what do you think about Afganistan ?
Why do you need me to clarify that ?
Let's see. Poppy production has risen a hundred fold since the invasion. Coincidence? I think not.
NATO approved this war based on lies the US fed them. Canada got suckered into it.
Oh ya! A vast array of valuable minerals has miraculously been discovered in Afghanistan. Another coincidence? Not!
I don't deny the holocaust of WWII because I was not there but I am always suspicious of "information" coming at us at light speed on a daily basis. What I am more concerned about is the silence surrounding our own holocaust of millions of our aboriginal people over the past 150 years. It was conscious and deliberate and premeditated and is continuing today in a lesser form.
That is not specified in the OP title. A holocaust is a holocaust. Is the extermination of one people more important than another. Could it be the constant focus on the WWII holocaust is deliberate to keep us from dealing with our own?
Or could it be deniers of the holocaust trying to deflect attention away from what happened in the late 30s and early 40's?
Or could it be that what happened in Europe 60 years ago doesn't interest me as much as what is going on in our own country even today? I wasn't alive during WWII. I mourn for the loss of gays, Gypsies, the infirm as well as the Jews who died but it had nothing to do with me and I don't hold any one group more important than another. I just feel that what is going on in my backyard in my life time is more important. If we can't clean up our own back yard, what is the point of crying over what happened in someone else' 60 years ago?
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Really. Ok. Interesting.
Gosh you must be over THERE.
Simply choosing what you want to believe and discarding the rest.
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Or you could actually do some research and find out that the number isn't rounded off by the collators, but by those that regurgitate it. The number rests around 5,709,329. Which is likely why the industrious round it up to 6 mil.
Except the one you're in, so why are you trying to make a big deal about it? Oh ya, I remember now.
How true, and I've always found it odd that people like yourself use that quote, while you oft ignore historical fact and contemporary evidence.
That's simple. Kind of like how you claim to be against war crimes and crimes against humanity. While you devote the majority of your energy and focus to a singular group, who's actual war crimes and crimes against humanity, pale in comparison to other monumental contemporary atrocities.
Nope, and neither does denying Jews was on that list.
There's no such law in Canada fear monger.
They're nomads. Should we give the Bedouin your back yard too?
Still pushing that one eh fear monger?
You think people get raked over the coals and called Jooo haters for merely questioning history?
Wow, you people really do selectively read whats said eh. How about people who ignore documented history, proven facts, undeniable evidence and reality. Instead choosing to believe convoluted opinion, conspiracies, anecdotal evidence and pure tripe, so that they never have to face the fact that they are wrong.
Those people that get raked over the coals, called Joo haters and all manner of appropriate names, are called so, because they are just that. Something of which I have actually sat down and proven on many occasions, when my use of said "Names" was challenged and questioned.
Cliffy, if you want to argue the numbers that died in the holocaust, by all means, pick up the gauntlet. I'd be more then willing to listen and discuss. Hell, even I question the validity of the 6 mil figure, and it would ludicrous to call me a Joo hater.
That should be the first clue that your statement is erroneous at best.
I couldn't agree more, the hype and hyperbole about the Gestapo like Cops and the allegations of brutallity, were completely misrepresented in the press.
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The number quoted for as long as I can remember is 6 million. Now I would think the average reasonable guy wouldn't expect it to necessarily be exactly 6 million, but would expect it to be closer to 6 million than 5 or 7 million and that's all I have to say about that. :smile:
Bush is the Devil? Is that a greater evil than being a Nazi? Prescott did banking with the Nazis and after the war a lot of former SS Elite were welcomed into the American CIA and a few decades later his son was brought up through the ranks of that same organization that did 'secret experiments' on 'fellow' Americans. His involvement goes as far back as the early '60's so he would have been in contact with the old SS, they probably even taught him a few classes and wrote many of the 'field manuals'. All that seems they should take a vacation from power but as far as being as bad as Satan, their whole reign is not even a broken fingernail as far as it comes to being evil. If they promote 'devilish things' (truth or lie it is the responsibility of the 'follower' to determine which it is) and a person hold them in high regard that would make that person their Minion. Not a good thing if you value yourself as being a helpful, productive person when God be looking down and taking notes.
If this vid is truthful that some of the reference material is false then the numbers can be questioned. In doing that you should also be able to find who 'inflated' the numbers to come out with an artificially higher number. The first choice would be the Jews themselves. I doubt that very much as they would have been kept in the dark as much as possible about what was going on in Europe as far as the Jews specifically.
For some of the refugees to be on a ship called the Exodus means there is a PR move behind the scenes at some level. That can be for several reasons, for their own entertainment would be the cruelist of any of the possibilities. It would be interesting to see the paperwork on that particular ship as far as the renaming part (if it was renamed at that time) goes. Also at that time was the exit of the British in a ceremonial fashion as they are currently part of the 'all for one' group. That was the step that was the last in securing a homeland called Israel for the Jews which was a cumulative of a plan that had been in the works for almost 100 years. Even before the start of WWI the Brits had promised their support under certain conditions (Balfour declaration). Part of that support also meant Britain had to have control of the land. The Brits enlisted the aid of the locals (90% Arab) to win the land from the previous owners. Phase I complete, immigration by Jews began at a much increased rate to the extent that resistance was increasing so much that the Brits put a temporary halt to it. Enter WWII and by the end of that a unlimited immigration could be 'justified' as the 'World' had voted.
The easiest way to inflate numbers is to erase the real number and put in whatever number you want. The Jews of Europe did not have that authority. They were numbers on a sheet of paper as far as who takes care of the numbers.
From the actual death total (for Jews that were part of a wider round-up) the 6M number had to be justified and that is through 'artificially' increasing the numbers until you get what you want. The birth rate is the easiest number to play with and from about 1870-1945 the rate of births to Jews increased 100% (in some dates given). The Jews of Europe do not have that level of control, in real terms they have not 'conquered' Palestine yet. There are some in the world that can tell Kings and Queens what to do and when to do it. Who would they be if Bush was the Devil?
So how much info in this vid goes against your view or if were you there what is the real deal?
If this vid is truthful that some of the reference material is false then the numbers can be questioned. In doing that you should also be able to find who 'inflated' the numbers to come out with an artificially higher number. The first choice would be the Jews themselves. I doubt that very much as they would have been kept in the dark as much as possible about what was going on in Europe as far as the Jews specifically.
For some of the refugees to be on a ship called the Exodus means there is a PR move behind the scenes at some level. That can be for several reasons, for their own entertainment would be the cruelist of any of the possibilities. It would be interesting to see the paperwork on that particular ship as far as the renaming part (if it was renamed at that time) goes. Also at that time was the exit of the British in a ceremonial fashion as they are currently part of the 'all for one' group. That was the step that was the last in securing a homeland called Israel for the Jews which was a cumulative of a plan that had been in the works for almost 100 years. Even before the start of WWI the Brits had promised their support under certain conditions (Balfour declaration). Part of that support also meant Britain had to have control of the land. The Brits enlisted the aid of the locals (90% Arab) to win the land from the previous owners. Phase I complete, immigration by Jews began at a much increased rate to the extent that resistance was increasing so much that the Brits put a temporary halt to it. Enter WWII and by the end of that a unlimited immigration could be 'justified' as the 'World' had voted.
The easiest way to inflate numbers is to erase the real number and put in whatever number you want. The Jews of Europe did not have that authority. They were numbers on a sheet of paper as far as who takes care of the numbers.
From the actual death total (for Jews that were part of a wider round-up) the 6M number had to be justified and that is through 'artificially' increasing the numbers until you get what you want. The birth rate is the easiest number to play with and from about 1870-1945 the rate of births to Jews increased 100% (in some dates given). The Jews of Europe do not have that level of control, in real terms they have not 'conquered' Palestine yet. There are some in the world that can tell Kings and Queens what to do and when to do it. Who would they be if Bush was the Devil?
Oddly, I have never heard Manchuria or Nanking referred to as a holocaust - where an estimated eight million civilians were killed off. Holocaust it may be to they who need catch phrases to remember it. Murder of European Jews wasn't unique.