Can you not read? "They float each in an orbit," the Quran says that several times about the sun and moon with respect to the earth. What else could it possibly mean?
The Future of mankind on Earth
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Can't you consider?
"They float each in an orbit" ...does this mean they orbit around the earth?
"They float each in an orbit" ...does this mean they orbit around the earth?
The explanation of the aya 36: 40
لَا الشَّمْسُ يَنبَغِي لَهَا أَن تُدْرِكَ الْقَمَرَ وَلَا اللَّيْلُ سَابِقُ النَّهَارِ وَكُلٌّ فِي فَلَكٍ يَسْبَحُونَ
The explanation:
(It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, neither does the night outstrip the day; but each [of them] is swimming along into a [specific] orbit.)
So where is it that they move with respect to the earth; this is only what you say to justify your claim.
Q:28
This aya even tells us that the sun does also move along: dragging with it its planets and the solar system as a whole.
The moon also moves in its orbit around the earth and the earth itself moves in its orbit too; to each of these objects is a specific orbit along which it moves.
And while they are moving each in its specific orbit, each one of them cannot pull the other to unite with it because of calculated and estimated distances and forces of the gravity in the universe. Glory be to God!
As is it understood in the preceding ayat 36: 38
ذَلِكَ تَقْدِيرُ الْعَزِيزِ الْعَلِيمِ
ذَلِكَ تَقْدِيرُ الْعَزِيزِ الْعَلِيمِ
The explanation:
(Such [perfection] is the ordaining of the All-Mighty, the All-Knowing.)
(Such [perfection] is the ordaining of the All-Mighty, the All-Knowing.)
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While we want to speak about the condition and circumstances of the Last Days or the terminal time on Earth; AnnaG (with her yellow Bush tree) and Cliffy (with his mouth vapor) turned us away from our topic.
Such circumstances of the Last Days may have been commenced by the global warmth: the general increase in heat on the entire earth.
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The information and knowledge that you have about Mars and Venus is defective and wrong, and the problem is that you don't want to have any correction
So, are you saying that Koran says the following?
because of the information that astronomers have obtained about it, and which affirm the existence of water and other essentials of life on its surface.
I pulled this from the Website you have given. If Koran claims that Mars has all the essentials of life, then Koran is wrong.
Mars may have some water in frozen form, or underground. But it has no oxygen. Its atmosphere is very thin (30 to 1155 pascals, compared to earth atmosphere of 101,000 pascals), it is mostly carbon dioxide, with virtually no oxygen.
It will be impossible to survive on Mars without a space suit. Mars may perhaps be said to be slightly more conducive to life than moon, but not much.
If Koran claims that human beings can survive on Mars in any great numbers, then Koran is flat out wrong.
Till now you know this only, and later on many things in this respect will be discovered and you will see what truhs are in the Quran foretelling about life and people on Mars and many other planets.
This is only your present knowledge; this is only your present knowledge ... SJP shall I repeat this again ... Their knowledge is defective and wrong which they will correct later on . :wave:
If and when scientists correct the knowledge, I will go by it. But where science contradicts Koran, science is right and Koran is wrong, as far as I am concerned.
In context, yes, that's what it says.
It doesn't say that at all, it's clearly comparing the movements of the moon and the sun with respect to the earth and concluding that they're similar in principle.
Liar. I did nothing with my yellow "bush tree". There's no such thing as a "bush tree".
You just don't like my posts because I can prove you and your book are wrong.
Besides, people would freeze to death. The temperature drops to about 123 K (-150C).
Might be a good place to send a few people. They might like the climate! They can write the rest of us to let us all know how swimmingly (does that word even make sense on frozen Mars? lol) the migration is progressing.
Hell, the planet is getting crowded. I'll volunteer to help load the ships and wish them farewell and gawd speed.
Quite so, ship them all off to Mars. i am sure eanassir would like that (according to him and his Koran, Mars is quite habitable).
Science is changable which means its items are not absolutely true, while God's word is unchangable which is the absolute truth.
They simply will discover new things, then say: we were wrong; but you and others will not believe even then unless God Himself guides whomever He please.
Moreover, such objects like Mars and other planets are relatively far, and many of their ideas about Mars are based on imagination till now, and now their programs have been postponed because of economic reasons.
No, it does not say so; you want to understand it this way, as did many other Muslims understand; so they were wrong as in many other ayat.
Yes, it says the sun moves along in an orbit, as is also very clear in another aya:
This is the preceding aya 36: 38 (two ayat priorly)
وَالشَّمْسُ تَجْرِي لِمُسْتَقَرٍّ لَّهَا ذَلِكَ تَقْدِيرُ الْعَزِيزِ الْعَلِيمِ
The aya tells that: (The sun moves either to a resting place of its own, or it moves with no resting [from its movement.]
Such is the ordinance (and estimation) of the All-Mighty the All-Knowing [God.])
Q: 41 وَالشَّمْسُ تَجْرِي لِمُسْتَقَرٍّ لَّهَا ذَلِكَ تَقْدِيرُ الْعَزِيزِ الْعَلِيمِ
The aya tells that: (The sun moves either to a resting place of its own, or it moves with no resting [from its movement.]
Such is the ordinance (and estimation) of the All-Mighty the All-Knowing [God.])
The "sun moves along" like in the Arab language: the cup of wine moves along to all drinkers one after another: a woman gave them the cup of wine one after another and she passed the cup to one after another.:smile: See the Arab poetry for one who knows Arabic in the Arabic edition of the book:
صَدَدْتِ الكأسَ عنّا أمَّ عمرو---------- وكانَ الكأسُ مَجراها اليَمينا
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Those are two opposing statements. Which is it? It moves? Or it doesn't?
The all knowing god doesn't even know what it is talking about. No wonder you are so confused. You keep saying that man can live on Mars based on a text by people who thought the world was flat and were illiterate and that some day the educated physicists of today will be proven wrong. Man, how do you get out of bed in the morning?
The Quran was revealed in the Arab language, to which there were many tribes and accents; and so there are many readings to some of the Quran ayat; like e.g. Moon is called generally قمر while to a certain Arab tribe they also call Moon قمر and زمهرير
"God - be exalted - said in the Quran 76: 13 ; describing the dwellers of Paradise:
مُتَّكِئينَ فِيها عَلَى الأرائكِ لا يَرَوْنَ فِيها شَمْساً ولا زَمْهَرِيراً
The explanation:
(Reclining therein upon couches, they shall neither see therein sun [or heat], nor moon [or piercing cold.] )
So God - be exalted – avoids them the sun; because it hurts the soul."
The soul after death(Reclining therein upon couches, they shall neither see therein sun [or heat], nor moon [or piercing cold.] )
So God - be exalted – avoids them the sun; because it hurts the soul."
I thought that but I didn't want to be too insulting. Landing on his head might knock some sense into him, though.
The sun is physical and the soul is ethereal. How can the sun hurt the soul? And what does this have to do with Mars or the sun moving or not moving? You just keep getting weirder.
All body :smile:
Because I slept on the ground; so I jumped as a whole out of the bed :lol:
wow. Even in ancient Japan they had tatami mats. Before than people used some sort of bedding. Are you that poor?
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Indeed science is changeable, it is fallible, it is perfectly human. That is why I prefer to rely on science, rather than some supernatural, malevolent deity who threatens to kill you and torture you for eternity unless you do exactly as he tells you to (or rather, as his representatives, Mullahs, Ayatollahs and Imams tell you to).
Science is the best that can be done with the tools available to us when it comes to studying the nature and the universe. It is infinitely preferable than relying on some centuries old book, which was written against the background of poor understanding of nature and lack of understanding of human rights (hence the reference to stoning women to death, cutting off hands of a thief, beating one’s wife and so on).
So yes, give me the changeable science any day, in preference to unchangeable superstition (religion).