Not the exact wording as I forgot to write it down -
But if you accept logic you also have to accept mystery - do you not?
The bible is a fairy tale!
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Not the exact wording as I forgot to write it down -
But if you accept logic you also have to accept mystery - do you not?
Spade my friend - I believe in a God - I believe in the teaching of Jesus - Can I by doing so lead a path in life that would make me a person that does not care for the ill, does not care for the infirm, does not care for those that are without, Does my belief as such make me such as man that does not care for others?
I am sure as I am sure that the sun rises in the east of a thoughtful reply.
And thta is the point of faith - A person cannot state with certainty - it is impossible to prove or disprove. That is what is called faith. And if i am wrong then does t really matter than I am. I think not as I do no harm.
Mature discussion tends to dictate that someone opens a discussion, and others follow with their views within the scope of said discussion.
If you want to open a discussion about the validity of the bible, by all means, it should be a valid discussion.
But, if someone is having a discussion about, let's say, Lenten observations, then coming in and telling everyone the bible is crap is, well, immature highjacking.
Goober,
In the end it matters little what you believe, it is how you conduct your life. If you seek the truth, whatever that turns out to be, if you do not become that truth, you have wasted your time. There are as many paths leading back home as there are people, ideas of gods/goddesses, visions of what home is. None are perfect for everyone, most are only perfect for the one following them. The point I would like to make is that those who think their way is the only way and are willing to die for their beliefs are also willing to kill for them. That makes such people and their beliefs dangerous to the rest of us.
In the end it matters little what you believe, it is how you conduct your life. If you seek the truth, whatever that turns out to be, if you do not become that truth, you have wasted your time. There are as many paths leading back home as there are people, ideas of gods/goddesses, visions of what home is. None are perfect for everyone, most are only perfect for the one following them. The point I would like to make is that those who think their way is the only way and are willing to die for their beliefs are also willing to kill for them. That makes such people and their beliefs dangerous to the rest of us.
Ii would call the teachings of Jesus whether he be fact or fiction such that it would be centuries before supposedly civilized countries enacted laws based upon Judeo -Christian beliefs - Even today many countries still have not reached the point of understanding the basic human rights of which he spoke.
So to say he was a man from Egypt, a Pagan God stolen as such to base Christianity upon is not relevant - What is relevant is and will always be the teachings that would make him without doubt the greatest philosopher the world has ever known. A man the was 2000 or more years ahead of his time - as we still have yet to adopt the principles of which he spoke.
If you haven't read this give it a look over. It relates to this thread too.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/s...4511-how-did-prophet-believe.html#post1308726
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/s...4511-how-did-prophet-believe.html#post1308726
Petros my friend
As I said before the books about how to ride the Holy Bike will never teach you how to truly ride a bike. They are just the rules of the road and hand signals for courteous use of the bike path IF you ever figure out what a bike is and how to ride it.
When Moses, Jesus, Mo, Buddha, Confucious and other true bicycle riders went bike riding what did they do that is in the book but but isn't part of what any learned book reading leader teaches you about riding a bike because book leaders have no idea on how to ride a bike either.
What did they all do to learn to ride a bike that nobody is taught or is practised by bicycle riding story tellers in churches synagogues, mosques, temples and shrines?
The above is the post from Petros and I believe it should be posted again - I never did see this post but I understand it.
Well said.
But what did they all do to learn to ride the bike of spirituality that none of us practise in the "3 biggies"?
Moses, Jesus, Mo, Buddha, & Confucious all went off alone, fasted, sat in a cave, ditched all the things they were taught by other men, cleared their minds of the outside world and turned inwards.
Then and only then did god speak to them and reveal the truth.
Then and only then did god speak to them and reveal the truth.
You can still ditch all the misnformation, fears, myths, find alone time and clear your mind and listen.
Where in the texts does it teach you how to do that? We've all done the rituals in the book, said the magic connotations, asked for help etc but have you ever heard a holy man tell of his experiences on the mountain in the cave being enlightened by god?
Hasn't this thread been derailed long enough? Can't we get back on topic?
The funny thing about the holy men I have met is that they don't normally have any need to tell about how they reached enlightenment. It is usually someone else who may have heard from someone else a story that they feel needs to be told. It is usually third hand news by the time we get it; not very accurate and embellished to make good story telling.
That about sums it up. Mostly why I have no use for religion. I do however subscribe to most of what some like to call christian values which is not the same as believing in god. I have noticed over the years that a lot of self proclaimed christians tend to break a lot of those laws they say the rest of us must obey.
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