G8/G20 Security issues?...Was the 1 Billion worth all the B.S..
Answer ...NO... is all a Big Joke ..See top of thread..
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G8/G20 Security issues?...Was the 1 Billion worth all the B.S..
Answer ...NO... is all a Big Joke ..See top of thread..
I'm not a conservative, but I'll take a crack at it. Though I do think a billion is a little higher than it should be, I can think of some reasons why it's not that bad. One is advertising. Media outlets from around the world were all in Canada for that time streaming video of our country back to where they came from. It does no good to send back images of a military barracks. Show them our largest city. Show them the fake lake. The media will show all sorts of things while they are here of the surrounding area and all of this can impact investment from overseas. Also, I for one do not think that dignitaries should be treated as average Joes. Where does this idea come from anyways? I'm sorry, but if you are the most important person in your country, then you should not be treated as average. I don't see the problem with wining and dining them and it leaves a good impression of Canada and their time here. We all know that we like to do business with those we like, so you won't make any friends by having them in a military barracks or on Baffin Island.
Also, I think I should point out that the billion dollar figure that we hear about is not what it seems because often times others refer to other countries putting on the same summits for only fractions of what we paid. But, is that including the entire cost or is that just security? There were a lot of projects that likely are tied to the summits, but were projects that needed doing anyways. These projects are probably tied to the overall cost yet needed to be done anyways. The sea to sky hwy comes to mind. When other include that in the cost of the Olympics it seems a little unfair as people had been begging for it to be done anyways.
I think the price seems steep, but I don't know if this is something that we should blame the Conservatives for. Lastly, for those that think we should have spent way less on security or been way less aggressive with the violent protester, what do you think would happen to Canada's image if something serious happened? Maybe a bomb? An assassination attempt? Something like that would be very embarrassing for us.
I can't believe that the police and other hired mercs would sit by and allow police cars to be set on fire. Nobody saw anything, seriously? Come on... They just let it happen. Or worse, was it staged to justify the spending. Ah, there we go. That is the only thing that makes sense. All those cops and no real incidents yet hundreds of people were imprisoned.
I was walking down King Street in Toronto on the Wednesday night before the G20. Every five minutes a different group of 10-15 cops on bike patrol would pass by. Later that night, around 3am, some goon fired off a few shots outside a nightclub. One block away and the cops couldn't catch them.
I call shananigans on the whole thing!
I was walking down King Street in Toronto on the Wednesday night before the G20. Every five minutes a different group of 10-15 cops on bike patrol would pass by. Later that night, around 3am, some goon fired off a few shots outside a nightclub. One block away and the cops couldn't catch them.
I call shananigans on the whole thing!
Really? I am not a big fan of conspiracy theories, this one being no exception. Do you really think that the police were told to just sit by and allow people to torch cars so that there would be justification to the security spending? Without even thinking of some more reasonable explanations for why these things happen, you, and others I assume, immediately claim some sort of conspiracy perpetrated by our police and/or government. What you fail to do however is supply any reason to believe your claim. All you have is a very tenuous collelation.
http://www.thestar.com/topic/news-gta-torontog20summit -
G 8/20 - Piss Poor Politics as Usual ...
I guess The Gov needed to Justify all that Spending/Security somehow...Video speaks for itself...Police let the BlackBloc get rowdy ( as expected) then used Unnecessary/Excessive force to Herd/Corral them ..
Most Arrested have been let go ..There was nothing to warrant their arrests or Confinement that couldn't have been prevented..
Security could have simply arrested the culprits as Crime/Vandalism was being committed... But that wouldn't have been in the Gov's best interest...So it would appear...
All Could have been prevented ..1.If The Black Bloc were not permitted to join the protests...
2.If they had've " Looked for the guys wearing the black face masks." and arrested them as they committed Crime/Vandalism...
Guess the Gov. had to Justify all that Spending and Security with Unnecessary/Excessive Force...Just Bad Politcal Optics if you ask me....Whatta Joke....On the part of Both the Black Bloc and the Gov...Hope everyone has learned a lesson...It Is all unnecessary...
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Well time has passed and the facts have shown the government acted to slip unneeded legislation through that the police said gave them permission to violate Charter rights. The police Chief Bill Blair lied about the legislation and the new powers it gave the police. Police officers assaulted innocent people exercising their rights by arresting with out charge or expectation of charges further abusing their Charter rights and unlawfully confining them. As the process moves ever slowly forward, the results are beginning to show. Bill Blair has been all but invisible in an effort to keep his job by keeping his nose out of the news after the down right stupid things he said in the press about the videos of his police force breaking the law and violating the rights of peaceful citizens.
Who needs a conspiracy? The real deal has unfolded right here in Toronto with all the "Dirty tricks" scoundrels and scumbags making an appearance. And we haven't even got past the locals yet.
Harper has and will continue to hang himself and his party by acting in the pompous and undemocratic, I dare say vindictive way toward the people of Toronto few of which voted Conservative. I expect that Once the Liberals return to forming the government, it will be fair game to screw a few heavily pro Conservative areas. Heh I think those gun owners are in for a ride when payback time comes around. :lol:
Right on , Unforgiven ...
1 thing though ..
" They" all, Screw the Common People in the end..
Rich-Leaders-SlaveDrones...We're always at the end of the Chain ..At least in this "1st World"/"Democratic" Country we have more Choices/Rights/Freedoms/A better way of life...Compared to most...For now..
Even most Politicians/Courts will agree... The Security/Spending measures taken at the G8/G20 meetings were/are Unnecessary/UnExceptable...Simply Piss Poor Politics...
Still would like to know where the $$ went?What is accomplished at these meetings?But aren't these always the Questions/In Question.?
1 thing though ..
" They" all, Screw the Common People in the end..
Rich-Leaders-SlaveDrones...We're always at the end of the Chain ..At least in this "1st World"/"Democratic" Country we have more Choices/Rights/Freedoms/A better way of life...Compared to most...For now..
Even most Politicians/Courts will agree... The Security/Spending measures taken at the G8/G20 meetings were/are Unnecessary/UnExceptable...Simply Piss Poor Politics...
Still would like to know where the $$ went?What is accomplished at these meetings?But aren't these always the Questions/In Question.?
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Are you so sure looks like next election he will get majority His porouges of parliment and G8 & G20 and any other fumble will soon be forgoten and forgiven. He will have no promise nor platform but he will still be able to con the masses. After that will have open feild to sell off all countries assests like CN tower holding. By the time Canadians decide to give smaller parties a chance, he will have dismantled this country, and move back to Alberta where they get all oil rights and journey to become another Separatist state.
All that stands between Harper and the opposition bench is a Liberal leader. Once the elect someone to unite the party that can speak to the people the Neocons are toast. This is understood by the voters and thus you have the constant minority so that Harper can't just do what he wants to do.
Well Said Ralph...Although .. Alberta will Probably Sink in its own Stink, before it has a chance to Separate...It is a Beautiful Province being Used and Abused by Self-Interest/Greed..Unfortunately...
There is No Sustainable Future for Albertans/Canada/Canadians in "Dirty Oil"..
Nothin' but Trouble for Canadian's With Stockwell Day as Head of The Treasury Board.
Keep an eye on the New Environment Minister /Peter Kent ...Let's see how he handles the OilSands Portfolio ..
http://www.macleans.ca/article.jsp?content=n5579172
Kent says oilsands unfairly demonized
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http://www.calgarysun.com/news/canada/2011/01/09/16818921.html - " Gov' Opts for Secrecy "
How much of "The Peoples" money goes to fund These Bureacracies of Secrecy? How much actually gets to the people who Need it/Deserve it most ? ( 2 -10 % , Just a Rough Educated Guess
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Canadians are in need of Good Strong Leaders who have Canada's/Canadians Interests in Mind .For a Change...
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To a certain extent, sure. But we should know every word they speak when they get together, and that we don't have.
1 billion dollars is a lot of money. But shouldn't we have a fair turn at hosting the meetings? There's only so many safe countries in the world where these people can gather all at once. Plus it's limited to the G8/G20 nations.
Because unfortunately you have people like the black block who threaten security. Which is ridiculous on their part because it accomplishes nothing and throws their legitimacy out the window.
I doubt it. How would stirring up trouble prove their relevance? The theory that "they" want to silence the protesters is a better argument for a conspiracy.
Since they don't tell us exactly what they're talking about, who knows?
Here's the G8 declaration: "shared vision that major global challenges must and can be addressed effectively through focus, commitment and transparency, and in partnership with other concerned members of the global community.”
Here's what's been reported to be discussed at the G20 meeting in Toronto: "Development; Food Security; Africa; Environmental Sustainability and Green Recovery; Trade and Investment; and International Peace and Security."
So things that relate to the Global community. Global cooperation, globalization.
Of course not. Just like how nobody cares what "they" think, or what Bob the neighbor thinks.
Peace GreenFish. :happy2::toothy10::color:
A lot of "meetings" these days can be done electronically. Or if physical meeting are necessary hold them in Greenland and don't tell a soul other than those directly involved. Media should be informed 5 minutes after they start.
The same people who claim the Conservatives are fiscally responsible defend spending a $billion (or more) on what was essentially a meeting and a cocktail party. That's about $33 per Canadian we spent for the Conservatives to entertain their guests and pumpt themselves up on the world stage. It didn't even buy them a seat at the UN Security Council. Don't get me started on the $60 billion (or more) they plan to spend on airplanes. That's about $2000 per Canadian. We still don't know the true final cost since I believe that price doesn't cover engines or armaments. If someone could should how advanced fighters will protect our soldiers from their main source of injury and death in Afghanistan (IEDs and landmines), I could believe this might be supporting the troops, but it looks to me like a flight of Canadian tax dollars to foreign countries. Does any of that money come back to Canada? (Not counting under the table kickbacks)
$60 Billion.........Really? I think whatever the cost it's to be spread over a couple of decades. How much do you think we should spend on National defense?
like it or not, our current planes aren't going to last forever.
The new fighters used to cost 1 billion per plane about 10 years ago because the costs were grossly inflated. I can understand why Canada stayed with the CF18
Now the price has significantly dropped. They aren't expected to drop anymore, they are expected to rise with rising costs. The waiting game isn't going to make the jets any cheaper.
The new fighters used to cost 1 billion per plane about 10 years ago because the costs were grossly inflated. I can understand why Canada stayed with the CF18
Now the price has significantly dropped. They aren't expected to drop anymore, they are expected to rise with rising costs. The waiting game isn't going to make the jets any cheaper.
They will last until we no longer have a deficit.
You think, or know?
Fact is, nobody knows, that's why the Tories were found in contempt.
How does the opposition vote on a spending bill when they don't know the real costs?
How much is Canada worth to defend? Consider the jet costs as insurance premiums, now divide that by the assessed value of the country- bet it works out at a low percentage than the insurance on your home. Guys posted along the borders with sling shots just won't cut it. :lol: