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Sounds like you need the guidance of a History Teacher here....& there is one.
He might just tell you that you need to do your own homework though.....
He might just tell you that you need to do your own homework though.....
Google "Creeping barrage at Vimy Ridge" and you will see that the allies did in fact use it. Heck, just copy and paste. There's your project, all done for you.
.................Oct. 5, l9l8.
Yes, the creeping barrage was used to great effect, thanks to the expertise, planning, and especially the step by step timing laid out by Arthur Currie, the Canadian commander.
As an aside, one of Curries artillerymen was the future General McNaughton........
The Germans sued for peace in early October of 1918, the guns stopped at "the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month" or 11 AM on November 11, 1918.
Actually "creeping" barrage is a misnomer since all artillery barrages crept. It was a simple enough idea consisting of lobbing shells onto the enemy trenches in order to force them to take cover and then having the attacking troops advance on the enemy. As the troops neared the line of deadly explosions the barrage would be moved a bit farther ahead to the secondary trenches while the troops stormed the first.
It took considerable coordination between the infantry and the artillery to ensure a successful use of the barrage and Canadian troops at Vimy practiced advancing while a supposed barrage was taking place in front of them. Such practice was critical as needless to say troops that advanced too quickly had their own shells landing on them or a barrage that lifted too soon gave the enemy time to recover. Vimy was the first use of the technique in a large scale attack and it proved a highly successful tactic. I am not sure what sources you are using in your report, but Pierre Burton's Vimy is a superb account of the battle. You can probably find it at your local library.
It took considerable coordination between the infantry and the artillery to ensure a successful use of the barrage and Canadian troops at Vimy practiced advancing while a supposed barrage was taking place in front of them. Such practice was critical as needless to say troops that advanced too quickly had their own shells landing on them or a barrage that lifted too soon gave the enemy time to recover. Vimy was the first use of the technique in a large scale attack and it proved a highly successful tactic. I am not sure what sources you are using in your report, but Pierre Burton's Vimy is a superb account of the battle. You can probably find it at your local library.
Sir douglas haig was an idiot and a war criminal,but he wasn't alone.The brits had a hard time dragging themselves into the twentieth century,militairly speaking.
Yeah.
Haig is famous for saying "The machine gun is ineffective against massed attack"
Uh-huh. A complete moron.
A theory he put into practice on July 1, 1916 at the Somme. He lost 50,000 men the first day. It went on for 3 months.
BTW he was promoted to Field Marshal for his efforts.
But to say the Brits were slow in dragging themselves into the 20th century in their tactics is somewhat unfair.........the machine gun prevented manoevre, and locked all sides into the slaughter of the trenches. Movement was only made possible by the use of the creeping barrage followed closely by infantry, a tactic used to such great effect at Vimy.............and the stalemate was only broken by the introduction of the tank.......first used by the British
BTW...how was Haig a war criminal??
I hate how people toss that around now........
Check out TOT - Time on Target - Devised by a Canadian General and was used to great effect by the artillery - Now remember - No calculators back then
Also why can't you do your own homework - and buzz off on the quiz crap.
We are not in school -
Also why can't you do your own homework - and buzz off on the quiz crap.
We are not in school -
Are you asking us to do your homework for you? The Armistice- the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month of 1918. :smile::smile:
I mean the brits were slow learners,if one frontal attack doesn't work,lets try three or five more,depending on how much cannon fodder we have on hand,they were doing the same stupid shtuff in the next war,think Dieppe.
I think haig is{or should be listed as} a war criminal along with stalin and churchill.Haig was stupid and the other two didn't play fair.
I think haig is{or should be listed as} a war criminal along with stalin and churchill.Haig was stupid and the other two didn't play fair.
They say you could literally walk from the Med to the Baltic and be in trench's the whole way - little hard with mountains but think on how intricate the trench system was -mind boggling.
Think 1776 - Ameircan Revolution - thye had those lovely bright red tunics for easy targets -
WW1 was fough using the tactics from the US Civil War - Many do not realize that - Look at the Prussian Frech War of 1772 - or so 1770 - not sure.
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I've read my great-uncle's diary from WW1, he lasted about 6 or 8 months in 1916 before he was killed. It's fairly blase but ugly when you read the 'quiet night, except for the constant shelling' comments.
That's true. Trench warfare came about at the end of the Civil War when the Yanks (Nothern type) in blue were once again slaughtered in a frontal assault at Cold Harbor. Gen Grant decided that a seige is what will finally bring the Rebels to heel. He was right. The long seige dranied the Army of Nothern Virginia of supplies and sickness settled into the immobile trenches.
Back to WWI. Has anyone seen diagrams of the Western front? It was amazing how far the trench lines extended from the coast to the Alps. Was I right there? Was the allied right flank resting on the border of Switzerland or Italy? It seemed like the only thing you could do was a frontal assault and with armor in it's infancy what more could be done?
Not quite. The Brits tried it, but the Boers used hit and run and ambush.
The whole thing was quite boering.:sad4:
Also look at the mass movement of troops and equipment by rail - The use of Commandos shall we say behind enemy lines and last - the Gatling Gun - A war fought 50 years later with the same tactics. This is why the NAZI's were able to rout and kick ass in 39 -40- They had new tactics - fast moving armor - massive air bombing and air attacks from the Stuka- The French in partcilular were well prepared for the last War.
Nuggler -Correct and that is why the Brits started concentration camps - thousands died from starvation and disease.
Stalin was responsible for more death than any other man in history....except Mao.....
But Churchill???? You are stepping on toes there!
Please explain yourself........
well one thing would be sacrificing inocent americans to try to draw the states into the war.get some steel toed boots
ALWAYS wear steel toed boots, that's why getting my toes stepped on doesn't hurt me.
Care to be more specific over the "sacrificing innocent Americans" accusation?
Some references would be nice.