Israel 'attacks' Gaza aid fleet

[CDNBear]

And the propaganda war continues.

On a lighter note, the Turkish Gov't, who was most upset with the raid on the activist flotilla, and has called Israel all manner of atrocious names, said yesterday...

Turkey has vowed to fight Kurdish rebels until they are "annihilated", after attacks killed 11 soldiers.

And no one raises an eyebrow. I guess real genocide is allowed to go, while imaginary genocide is focused on, without relent.

 

[MHz]

And the propaganda war continues.
On a lighter note, the Turkish Gov't, who was most upset with the raid on the activist flotilla, and has called Israel all manner of atrocious names, said yesterday...

And no one raises an eyebrow. I guess real genocide is allowed to go, while imaginary genocide is focused on, without relent.

There are about 50 Moosehead trained Kurdish Rebels, that is hardly a genocide.

You will also recall the Turkish Military is not condemning the actions of the Israeli Commandos in their response to getting beaten up.

So why are you picking up the pace of the propaganda war when it is already in overdrive?

 

[CDNBear]

There are about 50 Moosehead trained Kurdish Rebels, that is hardly a genocide.

So you agree, that there is no genocide in Gaza and the West Bank, good.

You will also recall the Turkish Military is not condemning the actions of the Israeli Commandos in their response to getting beaten up.

Of course they did, but then they had to fain outrage and pander to the uneducated state fed electorate. They fell back on the time tested accusations we see presented here, by yourself even.

So why are you picking up the pace of the propaganda war when it is already in overdrive?

I'm doing no such thing, but thanx for using tactic number 12, switch the conversation the poster, not the topic, when faced with facts and material you just can't refute or comprehend. My guess is the latter is your issue.

 

[ironsides]

Remarks of Brigitte Gabriel, delivered at the Duke University Counter Terrorism Speak-Out


I'm proud and honoured to stand here today, as a Lebanese speaking for Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East. As someone who was raised in an Arabic country, I want to give you a glimpse into the heart of the Arabic world. I was raised in Lebanon, where I was taught that the Jews were evil, Israel was the devil, and the only time we will have peace in the Middle East is when we kill all the Jews and drive them into the sea. When the Moslems and Palestinians declared Jihad on the Christians in 1975, they started massacring the Christians, city after city. I ended up living in a bomb shelter underground from age 10 to 17, without electricity, eating grass to live, and crawling under sniper bullets to a spring to get water. It was Israel who came to help the Christians in Lebanon. My mother was wounded by a Moslem's shell, and was taken into an Israeli hospital for treatment. When we entered the emergency room, I was shocked at what I saw. There were hundreds of people wounded, Moslems, Palestinians, Christians, Lebanese, and Israeli soldiers lying on the floor. The doctors treated everyone according to their injury. They treated my mother before they treated the Israeli soldier lying next to her. They didn't see religion, they didn't see political affiliation, they saw people in need and they helped. For the first time in my life I experienced a human quality that I know my culture would not have shown to their enemy. I experienced the values of the Israelis, who were able to love their enemy in their most trying moments. I spent 22 days at that hospital. Those days changed my life and the way I believe information, the way I listen to the radio or to television. I realized I was sold a fabricated lie by my government, about the Jews and Israel, that was so far from reality. I knew for fact that, if I was a Jew standing in an Arab hospital, I would be lynched and thrown over to the grounds, as shouts of joy of Allah Akbar, God is great, would echo through the hospital and the surrounding streets. I became friends with the families of the Israeli wounded soldiers: one in particular Rina, her only child was wounded in his eyes. One day I was visiting with her, and the Israeli army band came to play national songs to lift the spirits of the wounded soldiers. As they surrounded his bed playing a song about Jerusalem, Rina and I started crying. I felt out of place and started waking out of the room, and this mother holds my hand and pulls me back in without even looking at me. She holds me crying and says: "It is not your fault." We just stood there crying, holding each other's hands. What a contrast between her, a mother looking at her deformed 19 year old only child, and still able to love me, the enemy, and between a Moslem mother who sends her son to blow himself up to smithereens just to kill a few Jews or Christians. The difference between the Arabic world and Israel is a difference in values and character. It's barbarism versus civilization. It's democracy versus dictatorship. It's goodness versus evil. Once upon a time, there was a special place in the lowest depths of hell for anyone who would intentionally murder a child. Now, the intentional murder of Israeli children is legitimized as Palestinian "armed struggle." However, once such behaviour is legitimized against Israel, it is legitimized everywhere in the world, constrained by nothing more than the subjective belief of people who would wrap themselves in dynamite and nails for the purpose of killing children in the name of God. Because the Palestinians have been encouraged to believe that murdering innocent Israeli civilians is a legitimate tactic for advancing their cause, the whole world now suffers from a plague of terrorism, from Nairobi to New York, from Moscow to Madrid, from Bali to Beslan. They blame suicide bombing on "desperation of occupation." Let me tell you the truth. The first major terror bombing committed by Arabs against the Jewish state occurred ten weeks before Israel even became independent. On Sunday morning, February 22, 1948, in anticipation of Israel's independence, a triple truck bomb was detonated by Arab terrorists on Ben Yehuda Street, in what was then the Jewish section of Jerusalem. Fifty-four people were killed, and hundreds were wounded. Thus, it is obvious that Arab terrorism is caused not by the "desperation" of "occupation" but by the VERY THOUGHT of a Jewish state. So many times in history in the last 100 years, citizens have stood by and done nothing, allowing evil to prevail. As America stood up against and defeated communism, now it is time to stand up against the terror of religious bigotry and intolerance. It's time to all stand up and support and defend the state of Israel, which is the front line of the war against terrorism. http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/gabriel.aspand her websitehttp://americancongressfortruth.com/
Remarks of Brigitte Gabriel, delivered at the Duke University Counter Terrorism Speak

 

[MHz]

So you agree, that there is no genocide in Gaza and the West Bank, good.

A Rebel is an armed foe, old men, mother and children are not considered to be an armed foe. When you see the local police as a foe you are usually the problem and not the cure.
The genocide is wishing for the destruction of all Muslims no matter what Nation they live in. Perhaps taking on the one Nation that has always defended itself, and won. This is right off the Nazi playbook for the blitzkrieg of Poland except this time the 'target' and the 'audience' are quite aware for what is fact and what is fiction.

Of course they did, but then they had to fain outrage and pander to the uneducated state fed electorate. They fell back on the time tested accusations we see presented here, by yourself even.

I said Military response, a citizen response takes some time to wind up to a full head, that is because so many will die in the revolt if it ever goes that far. The elected MP are the voice of the citizens, it doesn't have to match the mood of the ones who have the weapons. They are logical and the public can be as fuking emotional as they want to be, that is there job. One of the privileges of being in a cage is the keeper lets you know if he is an honorable 'owner' Old Japan worked on that, the cream of the crop and the rest, the border was clearly defined and that was that. How is doing secret deals more honorable than that? In a revolt by the 'public' more often than not the ones who have to do the actual pulling of the trigger would rather turn around and fire on their old bosses if the mob is acting in a manner that is more honorable than their prick bosses. While mob rule will win even with heavy losses they can also 'stand down' once the need changes are in effect, not promises that can be broken.

I'm doing no such thing, but thanx for using tactic number 12, switch the conversation the poster, not the topic, when faced with facts and material you just can't refute or comprehend. My guess is the latter is your issue.

I agree it is a tactic, prove it is #12 from an archived page.

I thought the US cleaned up that part, or is funding an organization that goes into places like Turkey to kill Military personnel the desired goal. That would obviously be the case when they are very active in planting bombs that take out both civilians and military people in Iran.

Notice I covered the topics before I started the deception tactics, how deceptive is that eh?

 

[CDNBear]

Not that your reply has anything to do with what was said, but I'm bored and you're fun to play with, so here you go...

A Rebel is an armed foe, old men, mother and children are not considered to be an armed foe.

Unless you're an Israeli Soldier right? Because that's exactly how the Turk's see Kurds, as scum of the earth and so and I quote here "annihilated". Seems they're allowed to get away with that sort of genocide, while Israel isn't, that's odd.

When you see the local police as a foe you are usually the problem and not the cure.

I guess that all depends on what the make up of the local police detachment is. I mean the police in Gaza are made up of military and militia forces from all over the Islamic world. All complete with public profiles, expressing a desire to eradicate Israel of all the dirty Joos.

The genocide is wishing for the destruction of all Muslims no matter what Nation they live in.

And who's up to that?

Perhaps taking on the one Nation that has always defended itself, and won.

I'm glad you see it as Israel defending herself now. Good for you, you're starting to think now, that's a good sign.

This is right off the Nazi playbook for the blitzkrieg of Poland except this time the 'target' and the 'audience' are quite aware for what is fact and what is fiction.

I disagree, you've only just begun to figure out what is fact and fiction, with a lot of help from Colpy and myself. But as you are now showing, you're finally starting to see the truth.

I said Military response, a citizen response takes some time to wind up to a full head, that is because so many will die in the revolt if it ever goes that far. The elected MP are the voice of the citizens, it doesn't have to match the mood of the ones who have the weapons. They are logical and the public can be as fuking emotional as they want to be, that is there job. One of the privileges of being in a cage is the keeper lets you know if he is an honorable 'owner' Old Japan worked on that, the cream of the crop and the rest, the border was clearly defined and that was that. How is doing secret deals more honorable than that? In a revolt by the 'public' more often than not the ones who have to do the actual pulling of the trigger would rather turn around and fire on their old bosses if the mob is acting in a manner that is more honorable than their prick bosses. While mob rule will win even with heavy losses they can also 'stand down' once the need changes are in effect, not promises that can be broken.

And that has what to do with Turkey talking out of both sides of its face?

I agree it is a tactic, prove it is #12 from an archived page.

:roll:

I thought the US cleaned up that part, or is funding an organization that goes into places like Turkey to kill Military personnel the desired goal. That would obviously be the case when they are very active in planting bombs that take out both civilians and military people in Iran.

See next response.

Notice I covered the topics before I started the deception tactics, how deceptive is that eh?

Really? All I saw was a load of crap that borders on ridiculous babble. Except where you acknowledged Israel's right to defend herself. Which I must commend you for.

 

[MHz]

Not that your reply has anything to do with what was said, but I'm bored and you're fun to play with, so here you go...

And you're not, so back to your box, Bye.

 

[CDNBear]

And you're not, so back to your box, Bye.

I know I'm not fun, I keep poking holes in the stupidity that fills yours, eao's and DB's posts.

This thread originally was about the raid on the flotilla. You guys lost that debate, now you swung it around to be all about the atrocities committed by Israel. While you ignore, dismiss or negate the atrocities committed by regimes so void of decency, it only boggles the mind how people who adamantly claim to be peace seeking humanists, can defend, justify or gloss over their very real existence.

Then again, it really doesn't matter what the topic, is. As you proved in your other Joo hating thread on the Rothschilds. You simply do not want an honest discussion using provable fact. Your posts would indicate a commitment to mediocre investigation, using YouTube as the end all of sources.

 

[lone wolf]

And the propaganda war continues.

On a lighter note, the Turkish Gov't, who was most upset with the raid on the activist flotilla, and has called Israel all manner of atrocious names, said yesterday...



And no one raises an eyebrow. I guess real genocide is allowed to go, while imaginary genocide is focused on, without relent.

Talk is cheap. Some folks make bluster ... and some people take it too seriously. It's all meant to piss the other guy off into doing something stupid

 

[AnnaG]

A 150:1 ratio is not defensive measures, it's offensive and disgusting.

Is that a ratio of civilians compared to IDF, Hamas, Hezbollah, insurgent troops?

Just popped in to see if the rhetoric had changed any and spotted Pet's comment. It got me curious. Sorry for interrupting the rhetoric.

 

[CDNBear]

Talk is cheap.

Some talk is cheaper then others.

Some folks make bluster ... and some people take it too seriously.

And some just make it up as they go along, like eao, mhz and DB.

It's all meant to piss the other guy off into doing something stupid

And perpetuated under the guise of seeking peace. Sad ain't it?

Is that a ratio of civilians compared to IDF, Hamas, Hezbollah, insurgent troops?

I eagerly await the answer too.

Just popped in to see if the rhetoric had changed any and spotted Pet's comment. It got me curious. Sorry for interrupting the rhetoric.

No worries, it's kinda refreshing.

 

[AnnaG]

Yeah, well, personally I don't give a crap about one force or the other. I just wish they'd leave the Joe and Mary Lunchbuckets out of it. (or Salem and Aqsa Akl if you prefer).

 

[MHz]

If any of the ones with spare time on their hands would like to explain the population figures Colpy bailed on go for it.

 

[CDNBear]

Yeah, well, personally I don't give a crap about one force or the other. I just wish they'd leave the Joe and Mary Lunchbuckets out of it. (or Salem and Aqsa Akl if you prefer).

I agree.

If any of the ones with spare time on their hands would like to explain the population figures Colpy bailed on go for it.

What do you want to know? The fact that he's right or would you rather I just made something up like you eao and DB, so you can feel better and justify your hate?

 

[MHz]

What do you want to know? The fact that he's right or would you rather I just made something up like you eao and DB, so you can feel better and justify your hate?

I'll put that down as a 'No. thanks.' from the little Bear that couldn't.

 

[Colpy]

If any of the ones with spare time on their hands would like to explain the population figures Colpy bailed on go for it.

What population figures did I "bail" on?????

 

[MHz]

What population figures did I "bail" on?????

The ones from post #1491
Specifically, (I have rounded the numbers and times off to the nearest power of 5)
from 1800 -1840 the population went from 2.5 - 4.5 M in 40 yrs, a growth rate of
50K /yr
from 1840 - 1880 the population went from 4.5 - 7.7 M in 40 yrs, a growth rate of
80K /yr
from 1880 - 1900 the population went from 7.7 - 11 M in 20 yrs, a growth rate of
165k /yr
from 1900 - 1915 the population went from 11 - 13.5 M in 15 yrs, a growth rate of
167K /yr
from 1914 -1940 the population went from 13.5 - 16.5M in 25 yrs, a growth rate of
124 K /yr

Why the spike in births between 1880 - 1940?

Prior to that the info I have shows their population from about 800AD -1800 AD stayed around the 1.2 -1.5 -1.1 M range.

World Population Since Creation

 

[Colpy]

The ones from post #1491
Specifically, (I have rounded the numbers and times off to the nearest power of 5)
from 1800 -1840 the population went from 2.5 - 4.5 M in 40 yrs, a growth rate of
50K /yr
from 1840 - 1880 the population went from 4.5 - 7.7 M in 40 yrs, a growth rate of
80K /yr
from 1880 - 1900 the population went from 7.7 - 11 M in 20 yrs, a growth rate of
165k /yr
from 1900 - 1915 the population went from 11 - 13.5 M in 15 yrs, a growth rate of
167K /yr
from 1914 -1940 the population went from 13.5 - 16.5M in 25 yrs, a growth rate of
124 K /yr

Why the spike in births between 1880 - 1940?

Prior to that the info I have shows their population from about 800AD -1800 AD stayed around the 1.2 -1.5 -1.1 M range.

World Population Since Creation

That could be a thesis in itself....have you compared this to general world population figures?

Populations normally flutuate in their growth, due to influences such as disease, or better food, or whatever. For example, the Black Death killed a third of the population of Europe.....

Your guess is as good as mine, but don't read too much into it....it might be as simple as better counting methods.

Compare it with population figures in general (in Europe) to see if differs any in proportion.

 

[earth_as_one]

Remarks of Brigitte Gabriel, delivered at the Duke University Counter Terrorism Speak-Out... http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/gabriel.aspand her websitehttp://americancongressfortruth.com/
Remarks of Brigitte Gabriel, delivered at the Duke University Counter Terrorism Speak

The above statement was a paid announcement by the Israeli government.

Critics of Gabriel state that her biographical account is riddled with factual inaccuracies. While she claims that she lived for seven years in a bomb shelter, her former neighbours in Marjayoun say that her family, like that of others in the village, may have spent a few nights in their shelter or basement at times, but that they otherwise lived relatively normally.[11]

Gabriel also used to tell audiences that Hizbullah was the group that terrorised her family for the seven years between 1975 and 1982. She stopped making this claim after people objected, pointing out that Hizbullah was formed after she left Lebanon, as a direct result of the Israeli invasion and occupation of 1982.[11]

Gabriel is a former news anchor for World News, an Arabic-language evening news broadcast of Middle East Television, a Marjayoun-based station that was run by the now defunct SLA and funded by Israel.[11]

Brigitte Gabriel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Colpy]

The above statement was a paid announcement by the Israeli government.

Ah, to each his own propaganda.....

Personally, I prefer the stuff from the Good Guys....you know, the ones from a country where minorities vote, gays are safe, you can practice any religion you like, there is free speech.....that would be Israel.

All those things are sadly lacking in territory controled by Hamas........and in most Muslim countries.