The reason for the Muslim decline

[Johnnny]

The quran actually stands against forced conversions,

Qur'an (2:256) is frequently cited: "Let there be no compulsion in religion"

, BUT when you get a country full of goat herders sheltered from common sense in their madrassa's, you tend to get wack jobs....

Kinda sad when the whole country thinks sulimein the magnificant is still alive :lol:,

 

[darkbeaver]

"Muslim decline"

Your message in not clear. It is acknowledged that there are more converts into this religion than any other with women making up the vast majority. On that basis, how is it "declining"?

As for foreign invasions, history tells us Mongols spread their terror everywhere and were stopped only in Iran where they were persuaded to adopt the religion and to stop fighting. European history shows a similar event as the Vandals were the most savage tribe in European history. Yet, they, too, were persuaded to adopt Islam and to stop fighting in Andalucia (Spanish-Arabic for "land of the Vandals").

Islam was able to stop Asia and Europe's two most savage tribes from fighting and terrorizing. Why do you suppose we do not have a modern day parallel to this?

I know you are correct gopher. All religion is in transition to even/equal/parity, god is one and so will all these crazy basturds be, muslim/christian/jew/beaver will all be leveled in the great unification which has already commenced at the behest of sanity. Of course someone will have to write the handbook. As a disinterested natural victim of corporate religion I am perfectly situated to author that devine tome. A famous fearless handsome towering beaver will officiate both in the production of the god manual and its ruthlessly benevolent intrusion into the mundane paradigm and the Legion Rodentia will rule in perfect bliss in perpetuity.
Does any of that make sense? If so, it can be rewritten.;-)

 

[gopher]

''mongols exapansion in the middle east was actually stopped by the malmuks in egypt... ''

From my past readings, the Mongols were repulsed in 1260AD and did not attempt to expand westward. However, after they regrouped and invaded Iran for another generation until they converted roughly about another 100 years later.

"the Legion Rodentia will rule in perfect bliss in perpetuity.
Does any of that make sense?"


Of course! After all, as a gopher I'm a rodent too.

RODENT POWER!!

 

[Downhome_Woman]

''mongols exapansion in the middle east was actually stopped by the malmuks in egypt... ''

From my past readings, the Mongols were repulsed in 1260AD and did not attempt to expand westward. However, after they regrouped and invaded Iran for another generation until they converted roughly about another 100 years later.

"the Legion Rodentia will rule in perfect bliss in perpetuity.
Does any of that make sense?"


Of course! After all, as a gopher I'm a rodent too.

RODENT POWER!!

I'm partial to groundhogs ...love the little beasties ...

 

[ironsides]

cute little things when their babys running all over your lawn playing, and since Muslims can't stand them, they will not breed. :lol: Just to stay on topic.:lol: sort of.

 

[AnnaG]

I like chipmunks and most Muslims.

 

[L Gilbert]

The reason for the Muslim decline


I think that should read to be "reasons" not "reason". Death being the biggest one, I'd think. Between wingnut fundies and reckless soldiers, a lot of Muslims die.

 

[gopher]

"A medieval religion."

By the way, the Taliban denied hanging the boy and say it was done by locals who held a tribalist grudge (what is called "vendetta" in Europe) against his clan. Catholics do it in Italy but I don't see anyone condemning that religion for this type of atrocity.

 

[ironsides]

"A medieval religion."

By the way, the Taliban denied hanging the boy and say it was done by locals who held a tribalist grudge (what is called "vendetta" in Europe) against his clan. Catholics do it in Italy but I don't see anyone condemning that religion for this type of atrocity.

Another person heard from who suffering from that creeping mind melt. it is creeping around the world.

 

[Colpy]

"A medieval religion."

By the way, the Taliban denied hanging the boy and say it was done by locals who held a tribalist grudge (what is called "vendetta" in Europe) against his clan. Catholics do it in Italy but I don't see anyone condemning that religion for this type of atrocity.

What, Catholics hang 9 year old boys???? Talk about reach......

Give it a break Gopher, you're WAY off base on this one.....

 

[Cliffy]

What, Catholics hang 9 year old boys???? Talk about reach......

Give it a break Gopher, you're WAY off base on this one.....

Na! They just fum buck them.

 

[eanassir]

Why people decline in spite of bearing the Quran and believing in Mohammed:

This is the general program: whenever people (and individual) become devoted to God alone and believing in all the apostles including the last apostle of his time --> people will be dignified and powerful;

while if they associate (Jesus, saints, rabbis, imams) and others with God --> then God will be against them (whether individuals or communities).

This is very obvious in many ayat of the Quran, and in the Book of Levites chapter 26.

So now, we see the Islamic countries in hard circumstances: not because of the Quran, but because of their association with God, and He is temporarily against them.

In Egypt and Iraq: for example: the ignorance about the essential part of the Islam: the devotion to God alone: this is opposed and contradicted:

Everywhere the "maqam" and the shrines of the imams and their sons and the sheikhs are prevalent: people go to such shrines to ask their needs from these righteous people and to swear by them and ask them for help; while such righteous people died and went to Paradise: and when they were alive they could not answer the prayer neither could they after death grant people their needs.
Monotheism Is the Way of Success
An Hour with Ghosts

[About the monotheism in the Bible]
An Hour with Ghosts

So this is why, the enemy of Muslims captured their homecountries; just how Nabuchodonsor captured Palestine in the past and enslaved the Jews inspite of that they had the Torah with them and the prophets were among them (while they did not listen to them.)
<http://www.quran-ayat.com/conflicts/english2.htm#Their_Rebellion_against_Their_Prophet_>

 

[Cliffy]

We can say one thing about you eanassir. You are consistent in your efforts to beat dead horses.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Muslim societies are not weak because they were colonized, they were colonized because they grew weak, and they grew weak because they failed to adapt to the technological ascendancy of western Europe from about the 16th century onward. It has nothing to do with Islam, except to the extent that Islam's dogmas were a factor in that failure to adapt. Here's a more detailed and thoughtful take on it: The Real Reason for Muslim Decline BZNotes!

 

[Goober]

Muslim societies are not weak because they were colonized, they were colonized because they grew weak, and they grew weak because they failed to adapt to the technological ascendancy of western Europe from about the 16th century onward. It has nothing to do with Islam, except to the extent that Islam's dogmas were a factor in that failure to adapt. Here's a more detailed and thoughtful take on it: The Real Reason for Muslim Decline BZNotes!

Back up about to the 12th - 13th century - the change within the religion itself.

 

[gopher]

"What, Catholics hang 9 year old boys???? Talk about reach......
Give it a break Gopher, you're WAY off base on this one....."

Colpy - you need to watch "the Godfather" which was based on a series of true stories, including the attempted vendetta murder of a 9 year by a Catholic hood.

 

[ironsides]

"What, Catholics hang 9 year old boys???? Talk about reach......
Give it a break Gopher, you're WAY off base on this one....."

Colpy - you need to watch "the Godfather" which was based on a series of true stories, including the attempted vendetta murder of a 9 year by a Catholic hood.

Now the "Godfather" was a true story. :roll: Have you read "Snow White and the & Dwarfs" ?

 

[Said1]

I have, is that based on a true story - Small people, big world? Or 18 kids and counting, Kate plus 8?

 

[ironsides]

"The reason for the Muslim decline"

YouTube - Jeff Dunham and Achmed the Suicide Bomber

 

[gopher]

"Have you read "Snow White and the & Dwarfs" ?"

Is that you biography?