Israel 'attacks' Gaza aid fleet
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and lethal. Watch how fast that makes the wall crumble. See what labeling somebody a terrorist does to people when they meet representatives of the 'accusers'.
So the 11 missing were Moosehead spies after all, picked up after 'being tossed overboard' That isn't very original.
It sure seems that way with Israel at the wheel.
Bad shooters who cannot tell friend from foe?
See my previous post. Israel has the right to inspect all ships entering Gaza and search for arms. But if all they contain is humanitarian relief, then they have no right to stop them. And that's the point the humanitarian activists have made and will continue to make until they finally end the disease and malnutrition problems created by Israel in Gaza.
How is Hamas any less barbaric than Israel's military? Both are racist & both are trigger happy morons.
I thought this quite relevent given the current global outrage.....
Our Enemies, the Israelis by Justin Raimondo -- Antiwar.com
Our Enemies, the Israelis by Justin Raimondo -- Antiwar.com
If the rules are followed it can be done quite fast and without violence. The increase in delivey speed it the point of braeking the blockade. For food and building supples, you aren't the only Nation in the world that has good intentions towards other Nations. Gaza, Iran., Iraq, and the list goes on.
A lot of list are faxed from ship-to-ship and the captain gathers the things Israel wants and a quick inspection clears the rest of the goods. If wiping them out was the plan Neb would have done it when he sacked the place, as it was the Gentile king treated some of them quite nicely.
I never said that about Hezbollah. I was referring to Hamas only, which entered into ceasefire agreements with Israel many times and always held up their end of the agreement, despite violations by Israeli and other Palestinian militant groups. Even Israel admits that Hamas doesn't violate their ceasefire agreements.
YouTube - Israel admits: "No Hamas rockets were fired during ceasefire" FULL INTERVIEW
Its also a fact that Hamas maintained a unilateral ceasefire with Israel from June 2004 until June 2006. During this period Israel carried out numerous assassinations of Hamas leaders in an attempt to provoke Hamas into ending their unilateral ceasefire. Hamas finally ended their unilateral ceasefire after an Israeli raid into Gaza which killed 220 civilians. I doubt Israel would maintain a unilateral ceasefire for two years while Hamas militants assassinated Israeli leaders.
While Hamas's original charter calls for an end to the Zionist state of Israel and the creation of a Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital, they have never advocated a holocaust of Jewish civilians and in February 2006 effectively agreed to recognize and normalize relations with Israel in exchange for a full withdrawal and a solution to the refugee problem.
So yes, Hamas has a record of respecting their agreements, unlike Israel which has violated their agreements over and over. I challenge you to prove this statement inaccurate.
BTW, I came across this accusation by the activists who captured the Israeli commandos:
The activists claim the commandos had a list of people to identify and assassinate. Autopsies performed on the several victims found the cause of death to be consistent with people being shot in the back of the head execution style.
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I agree.
I understand as has been shown countless times, you have serious inability to use deductive reasoning, but here's the quote in full...
Obviously I'm talking about Catfishing. I am well aware of your deviancy in reasoning skills, so in the future if you see me use the word catfish, remember, I'm talking about a fish. No some silly imaginary "operation" your misty mind conjures up.
I understand your inability to separate fact from fiction, but not only is that plausible, it's been done countless times throughout history. So spare me the stupidity.
But Hamas, a group of proven thieves, liars, murders and criminals are?
That link says nothing of the sort, this is another piece of evidence, that not only are you willing to lie to try and smear Israel, you're willing to insult our intelligence in the process.
BS, both video's are still there for comparison, to prove that people like you are morally bankrupt.
Only if your an idiot.
But that was already proven false by Al jazeera's own live links, lol.
And yet no witnesses have said anything even remotely resembling that happened. Remember? The witnesses claimed the Israeli's were blindly firing into...first, sleeping crowds. Then crowds of activists defending themselves. Now, it was an execution, lmao. But all the inconsistency won't stop you from swallowing all of it, lol.
Unless you're shooting someone attacking your fellow Soldiers. who have their backs turned to you. Which has already been established.
If Israeli Commando's were on a murderous rampage, there would be a lot more then 9 dead. Only a moron would use the words murderous rampage to describe 9 dead out of thousands aboard multiple ships.
The detachment from reality used to formulate misleading headlines, heart wrenching stories, are all part of the propaganda machine you endorse, support and believe in, 100%. And yet you claim we are the victims of a pro Israeli propaganda machine, because we believe in the rule of law?
So in other words, you actually do believe all of that, lol.
I actually agree. As I have already stated, several times.
What you said there is an inconsistency and cancels out your own assertions. I bet you don't, can't or won't even recognize how either.
That doesn't stop them from supporting the genocide in Darfur, inventing a connection between "Zionists" and Nazi's, stealing, attacking aid groups or otherwise criminal behavior. Seems logic and reality have prove you wrong yet again.
I agree, so who's objective enough? Let me guess, the UN?
Hold on, didn't you just claim Israel wasn't to be trusted?
I agree, you being a prime example.
Funny, my opinion, which is actually pro reality, not pro Israeli, comes from multiple sources, non of which are Western Media. Yet that hasn't stopped you from making this claim about me on many occasions. But only you are allowed to make claims about people here, without any sort of proof, or they get threatening PM's from you, lol.
Yes, most of your posts are.
So long as they support your ideology.
You have no need of justice, this is simply proven by your own blind bias and the bigotry used to fill post after post with hearsay, rhetoric, half truths and out right lies, in an attempt to smear the whole of Israel.
But you defend neo Nazi terror groups, with a stated policy of genocide?
Please explain the logic in that.
But you're defending and trying to justify the violence used in this one? Please explain the logic in that.
So you support a blitzkrieg type flotilla, that may end in the deaths of hundreds? I thought you were a pacifist?
Contrary to your opinion, I actually hope you don't. Given the fact that you may not be surrounded by all peaceful protesters, and Israels steadfast belief in "Never Again". The chances of you getting killed are actually quite high. I wouldn't want to see that happen. But I admire the passion it takes to do it.
1, There is as far as I know, no such gear, except for the M203 spud launcher, which can launch tear gas canisters. Which is not considered a paintball gun.
2, Video footage clearly shows straight out, paintball guns.
Ya ok, just make it up as you go along.
I do too, but for completely different reasons, lol.
This is true, but unfortunately some people on the Miva Marmara weren't there to be peaceful.
They stupidly stopped those items at one point or another. They do not however, continuously stop that type of food stuffs from crossing the border.
In all honesty though, I think processed mac and cheese should be considered a chemical weapon, non?
Agreed, but that won't stop the morally bankrupt from supporting the idea.
For some of these people, asking that was a little stupid, lol. Sorry Colpy, I couldn't resist.
It's hard to do that when people say this is my opinion, and then try and post morally bankrupt, illogical, irrational, unreasonable, nonfactual BS behind it.
No that would be you who is the friend of bad logic, since Colpy was referring to bringing Iran into the battle. Not the ongoing conflict between Hamas and Israel.
But thanx again for exposing your serious flaws in logic, deductive reasoning, and comprehension. Yet again.
Again, those items are not always stopped.
Are you suffering from the same issues as mhz? It doesn't matter what wasn't there. The laws are quite clear on this.
I understand that the laws don't support your ideology, but you can't simply ignore them and replace them your own version, to justify and bolster your ideology.
So?
So long as they allow the boarding party access without conflict. That didn't happen.
Then keep sending aid, just do it right and it will get there.
Again you concede, thank you for finally getting it.
But you conveniently forget to mention or acknowledge building tunnels is a breach of the ceasefire, lol.
Hmmm, I guess you read Article 7 of their charter, with a blindfold on.
I'll use just one, because I've done this countless times, only for you to ignore it, over and over...
UN official condemns Hamas attacks on Gaza NGO's - Monsters and Critics
Would you like some tinfoil to go with that conspiracy'?
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I would have said that idea was totally impossible a few days ago, but since Egypt will start allowing supplies thru its border with Gaza we will see what happens. If Egypt can keep military supplies from getting in and attacks against Israel do not increase some sort of compromise just might be worked out.
How many Palestinians does it take to change a light bulb?
None! They sit in the dark forever and blame the Jews for it!
What does the sign say above the nursery in a Palestinian maternity ward?
"Live ammunition."
Israel's Gaza blockade: It works
Abandoning the blockade now would hand a victory to Israel's enemies, and would be a blow to many countries.
Jonah Goldberg
June 8, 2010
The L.A. City Council wants to boycott the Grand Canyon State. When will the United Nations condemn Los Angeles for its callous pursuit of collective punishment against Arizona in retaliation for its immigration policies? To be sure, the boycott is mainly symbolic, but at least in principle the measure is aimed at hurting all Arizonans regardless of whether they support the "regime" in Phoenix. That's collective punishment.
Also, why isn't the world outraged by the wholesale deprivation we're inflicting on the North Koreans? Why do we even bother talking about sanctions against Iran, which will surely hurt the average Iranian more than the mullahs and the kleptocrats running the Revolutionary Guard. We've been maintaining an embargo against Cuba for half a century. In the lead-up to the Iraq war, the supposed voices of peace and sanity argued for "giving the sanctions time to work" and "keeping Iraq in the box" — the "box" being a stiff sanctions regime. What was so great about the sanctions against South Africa if they too were a form of collective punishment?
Only one blockade is deemed indefensibly beyond the pale: Israel's blockade of Gaza. Why? Because it imposes "collective punishment." The U.N. Human Rights Council, which rarely finds time to condemn the barbaric practices of its own members, routinely denounces the blockade as a crime against humanity.
The blockade, which is surely causing real suffering, is entirely the fault of Hamas and the Palestinians who support it. When the brutal terrorist outfit consolidated power in a bloody coup, it proceeded to rain missiles indiscriminately down on Israel for years (talk about collective punishment). Israel finally launched a strike to stop the attacks and was, predictably, denounced as an aggressor by the usual suspects. Even now, Hamas won't accept the supposedly vital humanitarian cargo seized by the Israelis last week. Why? Because it's lost its propaganda value, and because it's been sullied by Jewish hands.
Recently, I debated my friend Peter Beinarton television about the flotilla incident. In the current New York Review of Books, he tears into liberal American Jews for their support of the blockade, a symbol of Israel's descent into illiberalism. He laments that about 80% of Gazans are on food aid and — allegedly — many staples are being denied the Gazans. "Chocolate is not something that can be turned into a missile," Beinart proclaimed on Fox's "The O'Reilly Factor." "And yet, it's not allowed to be imported into Gaza."
Meanwhile, the White House, which initially leaked that there would be "no daylight" between the U.S. and Israel over the flotilla, now wants to use the international furor to leverage Israel into loosening the blockade.
By all means let the Gazans have their chocolate. Though as William A. Jacobson, a Cornell law professor and blogger (legalinsurrection.com) notes, claims that such items are banned should be taken with a grain of salt. But this is a terrible moment to consider abandoning the blockade.
Why? Because it would rightly be seen as giving the organizers and supporters of this seaborne propaganda stunt a victory. It would signal that America can be conned. It would reward Turkey's outrageous insult to us (a NATO ally) and to Israel, a longtime friend of Turkey. It would undermine Egypt and other Arab governments (including Fatah) that don't want Iran's clients in Hamas strengthened (their propaganda notwithstanding). And it would signal that Iran is the most important power in the Middle East.
Alas, it seems President Obama cannot think straight about Israel because he has so many preconceived notions about it and his role on the world stage. Like so many liberals, he claims to be "realistic," but he actually sees things through a literary prism, living in a world of symbolism and metaphors.
It's amazing to read news reports about how the blockade "serves as a symbol" of this or that. "You know what else the blockade serves as?" asks Commentary's Abe Greenwald. "A blockade. It separates Israel's sworn enemies from those who would help them arm and kill Israelis. Oh, and by the way, as a blockade, and not a symbol, the blockade works."
Alas, such realism has no place in this debate.
http://www.latimes.com/news/columnists/la-oe-goldberg-blockades-20100608,0,2296284,print.column
No sh!t!!! The anti Israel "useful idiots", have no use for realim, reality, fact or debate.
That bears repeating, again and again.
Hamas deserves undying support and defense...
YouTube - The Real Face of Hamas, Fascists, Terrorists and Haters
YouTube - Real Face of Hamas, the Murderer Of Palestinians
YouTube - GAZA- THE REAL FACE OF HAMAS. TERRORISING, DEATH ......
Only by the useful idiots.
That ain't about to happen among folk whose real dicks are in the Muddled East....
Yes I can, Mr Dump Eating Omnivore. Presently Israel is a band of thieves illegally squatting on stolen Palestinian land and engaged in ethnic genocide. This condition has been in force for over sixty years. It is not too soon to correct it, then perhaps we can enjoy TV and radio without the decades old barrage of Israeli propaganda. Legally Israel has no claim whatever to any lands in Palestine. Anyone who has aided in this crime also has had no legal basis to do so. The dismemberment of Israel will be justice served and served well. And that my stinky fellow is the democratic will of the world that I am sure will be exercised before the planet is asked to suffer additional decades of Israeli arrogance and murder.
Wow, that was about as immature as one could be. Good work.
This is exactly why, you are considered irrational, unreasonable, and ignorant. You met a simple question, with pure ignorant childish behavior.
Anything following that, will likely have the same asinine stupidity flowing through it, and contain little or no factual basis in reality. So there is no need to read any further. Thank you for the heads up.
A suggestion----------------why don't we add up those insults and present the 1ST and 2nd place winners with the summer off.
I always think of you when I think of a head up something. Have a lick around while you're there.