Tory G8 abortion stance

[L Gilbert]

Re: morning after pill

Actually, I've met many pro lifers who have no problem with the morning after pill. The pro life movement is as flexible as any other movement - they have their hard liners and they have their moderates.

Right.

 

[L Gilbert]

Re: morning after pill

What makes you so sure about that?

The meaning in poetry is largely based on what isn't written but which the written part only alludes to. Much like the Holey Bible; one shouldn't take it literally.

 

[JLM]

Re: morning after pill

rofl You and logic in the same sentence? Oxymoron.

Personified :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[petros]

Re: What rights should a fetus have?

There is a big difference between the two. In the second case (rape), the victim is a human being, in the first case (abortion), it is not (or properly speaking, there is no victim in the first case, since no human is harmed).

The fetus is a human being but is not a legal person.
You've really got to learn that once and for all. But that is irrelevant when it comes to legal OPINIONS and reality. Reality says a baby lost it's life not a human being or a legal person buut a wee little defenseless baby.

 

[petros]

Re: What rights should a fetus have?

'Kill' is a matter of opinion. I don't think abortion kills a human being. Nobody can prove that it does.

A baby is very much human. Were you human when you were a baby?

 

[petros]

Re: What rights should a fetus have?

It is nonsense to use the words 'baby' and 'aborted' in the same sentence.

It's nonsense to kill babies by changing the meaning to fit convenience.

 

[L Gilbert]

Re: morning after pill

Do you mean pro lifers here in Canada? I think they are a slightly different breed from pro lifers in USA, who tend to be much more extreme. You only have to look at the history of morning after pill in USA, to see how much opposition there was by the pro life movement there.

Ahah! Here he goes, once cornered he squirts ink in front of you.
Ah, Joey, there is more people in the USA than Canada so it rather makes sense that there would be more opposition. :roll:

Indeed, that is why pro lifers in USA are also opposed to some forms of contraception, the ones which kill the embryo or prevent it from implanting. Pro lifers call them abortifacients, to differentiate them from contraceptives (which don’t kill the embryo).

I don't suppose what Downhome Woman said sunk in. Big surprise there. The gods forbid a woman to tell you something that makes sense. There are zealous pro-lifers (like the ones who kill abortionists) and the ones that are mildly pro-life. With you everything is either on or off with nothing in between. That's one of the things that makes you such a funny fool.

 

[petros]

Re: What rights should a fetus have?

It is not OK to kill, abortion does not kill any human being.

They start as goats?

 

[JLM]

Re: What rights should a fetus have?

The fetus is a human being but is not a legal person.
You've really got to learn that once and for all. But that is irrelevant when it comes to legal OPINIONS and reality. Reality says a baby lost it's life not a human being or a legal person buut a wee little defenseless baby.

REALITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That word has yet to form part of his vocabulary........:lol::lol::lol:

On a side issue where is Old Yukon Jack these days???????????

 

[L Gilbert]

Re: morning after pill

Many of these things that conservatives oppose (abortion, homosexuality, prostitution etc., even premarital sex) have been around for thousands of years, indeed probably as long as humanity has been around.

When conservatives try to ban these things, they are trying to impose their version of Bible upon everybody, and thereby going against nature. No wonder they don’t have much success at it.

And you liberals are always trying to push your views on everyone else. Isn't that a coincidence?

 

[petros]

Re: What rights should a fetus have?

On a side issue where is Old Yukon Jack these days???????????

Hopefully rehab or a an exorcism or both.

 

[JLM]

Re: What rights should a fetus have?

A baby is very much human. Were you human when you were a baby?

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Is he one now? :lol::lol::lol:

 

[petros]

Re: What rights should a fetus have?

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Is he one now? :lol::lol::lol:

A baby or a human?

 

[JLM]

Re: morning after pill

And you liberals are always trying to push your views on everyone else. Isn't that a coincidence?

It's called hypocrisy :lol::lol::lol:

 

[L Gilbert]

Re: What rights should a fetus have?

'Kill' is a matter of opinion. I don't think abortion kills a human being. Nobody can prove that it does.

It does after viability. And some say even from about 10 or 12 weeks when the embryo looks like a primate.
You should quit getting your "facts" from Reader's Digest LITBM and the New Yorker cartoons.

 

[L Gilbert]

Re: What rights should a fetus have?

I have raised the same issue before. If pro lifers are so concerned about the fetus (which I don’t think they are, to them, banning abortion is just another way of oppressing women), they should demand that every miscarriage be thoroughly investigated to see if women, doctor, nursing staff etc. was in any way responsible and charges should be filed against those who were responsible.

Actually, BUMBLE bee, there are real people who actually care about life in whatever form it is in. Apparently the only one you care about is yours. As wifey says, that's very sad.

They should demand that miscarried fetus should be given proper funeral, burial service, with a proper casket and everything. Are they demanding that such a law be passed? No. Or forget about the law, do pro lifers do this voluntarily for any miscarriage pro life women may have? Do they take the miscarried fetus to a funeral home? Again, no.

Why would they unless they'd already had named it? Some don't even want to know what gender their child is until they see him/her.
Strawman.

Nowhere is the pro life hypocrisy so evidence as in the issue of miscarriage.

 

[L Gilbert]

Re: What rights should a fetus have?

Quite so. If the law did not penalize anybody for miscarriage (when abortion was illegal), then the law was an ass. Fetus was treated as a human being when it was aborted, but not as one when it was miscarried. It was an unjust, hypocritical law, and Supreme Court was well advised to scrap it.

Unf'nbelievable. Do you ever listen to yourself? THINK;

abortion = In medicine, an abortion is the premature exit of the products of conception (the fetus, fetal membranes, and placenta) from the uterus. It is the loss of a pregnancy and does not refer to why that pregnancy was lost.

Miscarriage = Inadvertent loss of a pregnancy before the fetus is viable. A considerable proportion of pregnancies end in a miscarriage.

I bolded the key word there to give you a clue.

You can't see a difference?

 

[L Gilbert]

Re: What rights should a fetus have?

It is not OK to kill, abortion does not kill any human being.

rofl If a human has sex with another human and gets pregnant, they produce the beginnings of another, genetically separate human; not cape buffaloes, not platypuses, etc. So you are saying that human zygotes, embryos etc. are dead? How can you kill dead things?

 

[JLM]

Re: What rights should a fetus have?

Actually, BUMBLE bee, there are real people who actually care about life in whatever form it is in. Apparently the only one you care about is yours. As wifey says, that's very sad.

Why would they unless they'd already had named it? Some don't even want to know what gender their child is until they see him/her.
Strawman.

I think Gerry hit the nail on the head when he (tongue in cheek) noted that the convenience of the woman trumps everything else...............:lol::lol::lol:

 

[TenPenny]

Re: What rights should a fetus have?

Unf'nbelievable. Do you ever listen to yourself? THINK, if you can;

abortion = In medicine, an abortion is the premature exit of the products of conception (the fetus, fetal membranes, and placenta) from the uterus. It is the loss of a pregnancy and does not refer to why that pregnancy was lost.

Miscarriage = Inadvertent loss of a pregnancy before the fetus is viable. A considerable proportion of pregnancies end in a miscarriage.

I bolded the key word there to give you a clue.

You can't see a difference?

As AnnaG always says to me: where did you get that definition from?