When does life begin?

[SirJosephPorter]

Life begins with an electric field and evolves into higher forms such as coffee percolators.

In this picture you can clearly see the beginning of life.

You mean hte human being we can see in the lower part? It is possible, I suppose.

 

[Cliffy]

The nervous system is an electrical circuit. It is an integral part of most animal life. But does that apply to vegetable life? I'm not sure.

 

[AnnaG]

The nervous system is an electrical circuit. It is an integral part of most animal life. But does that apply to vegetable life? I'm not sure.

There's more to life than electrochemical activity.

 

[Cliffy]

There's more to life than electrochemical activity.

Yup. It certainly doesn't explain consciousness. Where that comes from is anybody's guess.

 

[gerryh]

Yup. It certainly doesn't explain consciousness. Where that comes from is anybody's guess.

riiiiiiight, and those that claim they do know are told they are delusional believers in fairey tales.:roll:

 

[Tonington]

The nervous system is an electrical circuit. It is an integral part of most animal life. But does that apply to vegetable life? I'm not sure.

Yes. The action potential which causes neighbouring cells to communicate is found in plants as well. There is a difference though. Animal cells depolarize when sodium rushes into the cell and potassium leaves the cell, the polarity of the membrane changes ahead of the intial electro-chemical signal when voltage gates open on the cell membrane, allowing the ions to move freely ahead of the moving charge. In plants, the action potential is driven by an outpouring of chloride ions, which depolarizes the cell osmotically, and allows potassium to go down the concentration gradient.

Similar result, but different mechanisms. No central nervous system, but the plants can respond to stress by passing this signal along from roots all the way up to the leaf, and vice versa.

 

[Liberalman]

Really? If it is that important, let the government do it. Let the government pay for upbringing of each baby, let the government compensate the mother for any loss of income she may suffer as a result of pregnancy, compensate her for the expense of the baby sitter, compensate her for the cost of the baby's college education etc., and for all the incidental expenses.

Let the government compensate the mother to such an extent that she won't be even the least bit inconvenienced as a result of the pregnancy. Only then government will have the moral authority to talk of restricting or banning abortions.

If each baby contributes 2 million $ as you claim, surely government can compensate the woman for the several hundred thousand it is going to cost to bring up the baby? The government will make a handsome profit out of the deal.

But as I said before, ti is not about economics, not about concern for human life (pro life motto is: life begins at conception and ends at birth). It is about religion, about superstition.

let the government do it. Let the government pay for upbringing of each baby, let the government compensate the mother for any loss of income she may suffer as a result of pregnancy, compensate her for the expense of the baby sitter, compensate her for the cost of the baby's college education etc., and for all the incidental expenses.

I totally agree
If the Aboriginals can have a free college education so can the kids with economically deprived single parent

Let the government compensate the mother to such an extent that she won't be even the least bit inconvenienced as a result of the pregnancy

I totally agree again
Give the mother a free education so she can raise her child properly

government will have the moral authority to talk of restricting or banning abortions.

government has the voter authority to talk of restricting or banning abortions

If the abortion provider is willing to pay $2 million the government per baby then it will help

 

[Cliffy]

riiiiiiight, and those that claim they do know are told they are delusional believers in fairey tales.:roll:

You believe in a god. You believe that god is the source of consciousness. I believe the same. But belief is not knowing. I do not presume anything I have not experienced or have first hand knowledge of. But even then, truth is subjective. Nothing is absolute. We might believe there are absolute truths but how can we know for sure unless we die and meet the creator face to face?

 

[TenPenny]

I totally agree again
Give the mother a free education so she can raise her child properly


government has the voter authority to talk of restricting or banning abortions

And I'm assuming that you'll also provide 24 hr/day security and addiction assistance, to ensure she doesn't drink, smoke, or do drugs during those 9 months.

 

[Liberalman]

And I'm assuming that you'll also provide 24 hr/day security and addiction assistance, to ensure she doesn't drink, smoke, or do drugs during those 9 months.

yes.

 

[Cliffy]

yes.

"Who are the brain police?" - Frank Zappa

 

[SirJosephPorter]

yes.

I hate to say this, but your kind of pro life position makes some kind of sense. If government sees to it that the woman is not inconvenienced in any way, that her education prospects, her job prospects, her career are not impeded in any way, she is not set back financially, they then will have the moral authority to restrict abortions.

But you are a rarity among pro lifers. Most pro lifers are also Libertarians (when it suits them) when it comes to social assistance to the poor. Most pro lifers want government to get out of charity, get out of education (they think that charity work and education should be left to the churches), are opposed to minimum wage, are against helping the mothers in any way. The are interested in seeing that mother is forced to give birth, after that they couldn’t care less what happens to the baby (and the mother). As I said before, life begins at conception and ends at birth.

 

[gerryh]

I hate to say this, but your kind of pro life position makes some kind of sense. If government sees to it that the woman is not inconvenienced in any way, that her education prospects, her job prospects, her career are not impeded in any way, she is not set back financially, they then will have the moral authority to restrict abortions.

But you are a rarity among pro lifers. Most pro lifers are also Libertarians (when it suits them) when it comes to social assistance to the poor. Most pro lifers want government to get out of charity, get out of education (they think that charity work and education should be left to the churches), are opposed to minimum wage, are against helping the mothers in any way. The are interested in seeing that mother is forced to give birth, after that they couldn’t care less what happens to the baby (and the mother). As I said before, life begins at conception and ends at birth.

God...I can not believe you,...I am pro-life...true pro-life, not just anti abortion, and what you describe above isn't the way I think or feel in the least. You are so far out there nobody would be able to find you.

 

[AnnaG]

I hate to say this, but your kind of pro life position makes some kind of sense. If government sees to it that the woman is not inconvenienced in any way, that her education prospects, her job prospects, her career are not impeded in any way, she is not set back financially, they then will have the moral authority to restrict abortions.

But you are a rarity among pro lifers. Most pro lifers are also Libertarians (when it suits them) when it comes to social assistance to the poor. Most pro lifers want government to get out of charity, get out of education (they think that charity work and education should be left to the churches), are opposed to minimum wage, are against helping the mothers in any way. The are interested in seeing that mother is forced to give birth, after that they couldn’t care less what happens to the baby (and the mother). As I said before, life begins at conception and ends at birth.

Apparently you haven't a clue what libertarians stand for. Let me help:

Libertarianism

is a political theory that advocates the maximization of individual liberty in thought and action[1][2] and the minimization or even abolition of the state

Here's the direct definition from Merriam-Webster:
Main Entry: lib·er·tar·i·an
Pronunciation: \ˌli-bər-ˈter-ē-ən, -ˈte-rē-\
Function: noun
Date: 1789
1 : an advocate of the doctrine of free will
2 a : a person who upholds the principles of individual liberty especially of thought and action b capitalized : a member of a political party advocating libertarian principles
— libertarian adjective
— lib·er·tar·i·an·ism \-ē-ə-ˌni-zəm\ noun



IOW, they believe than everyone should be able to do whatever they wish.

Maybe you meant Canadian Liberals.

 

[taxslave]

Don't be so crappy. I'm just having a little fun.


Probably any woman would tell you that anti periods is good. :lol:

Men too.

 

[AnnaG]

Men too.

chauvinist. lol

 

[JLM]

God...I can not believe you,...I am pro-life...true pro-life, not just anti abortion, and what you describe above isn't the way I think or feel in the least. You are so far out there nobody would be able to find you.

You notice, Ger..................:lol::lol::lol:

 

[L Gilbert]

Human life begins as a fertilized egg, which moves onto cellular division, which moves on to zygote, embryo, fetus, etc.
Other things have different cycles, trees, mushrooms, for instance.
Life in general probably never had a beginning.

 

[Machjo]

Men too.

Have you earned your red wings yet?

 

[JLM]

I haven't heard it for awhile but they always used to say "Life begins at 40".