Put an end to illegal drug use?

Avro

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That's another point I wanted to bring up. Some people assume that users would automatically stop buying via black market or growing their own if it was legalized, which I don't think is the case. The government doesn't exactly have a stellar product on their hands right now, which they sell to pharmacies etc.

Sure growing your own should be an option, but like alcohol.....sometimes you just want to buy it.

The product the government has isn't designed to get you high.

Try some of mine.....;-)
 

Machjo

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What could be interesting would be for the government to study how the Chinese managed to get their drug epidemic under control and apply the same strategy here.

Then again, for all I know, they may have already done that, and I think Canada has moved in some ways towards the Chinese strategy already, which could explain whey it has never reached epidemic proportions here. If that's the case, then perhaps we should just continue as we are now and keep it under control through a strict drug policy.

We might never end it completely, as is the case in China. But like in China, we can keep it under control via a constant fight against its supply. After all, some drugs ar so addictive, ay have gotten addicted to it after a first try.
 

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What could be interesting would be for the government to study how the Chinese managed to get their drug epidemic under control and apply the same strategy here.
We should get England to stop feeding it to the masses?
 

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We should get the England to stop feeding it to the masses?

England is no longer involved in the drug trade. That was in the 1800s. It started off with Britain having a trade deficit with China, and some British 'entrepreneurs decided to start selling opium to China from British Indochina. The Chinese, upon discovering the dangers of opium, banned it, and the British then intervened and started the first Opium War against the Chinese to force them to open up to the opium trade.

Defeated militarily, the Chinese had no choice but to sign an agreement to open to the opium trade. What's particularly disturbing is that it was illegal in the UK at the time!8O The British weren't stupid!

Over time though, as it spread out of control, the government finally took action, confiscated a batch from a ship, burnt it, turned the ship away, and warned any further sale of opium on Chinese soil would lead to the death of the sellers. The British interpreted this as a violation of the agreement imposed by the first Opium War, and so it lead to the second Opium War, again leading to a British victory, confiscation of Hong Kong, and other consequences.

Essentially, the British were the ultimate drug lords, controlling not only much of the poppy-growing zones (monopoly or close to it), but also the most powerful naval military force of the time ('distribution insurance'), and a government's sanction behind it (legal legitimization).

The drug lords of today could certainly learn from such a lethal combination.
 

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What could be interesting would be for the government to study how the Chinese managed to get their drug epidemic under control and apply the same strategy here.

Then again, for all I know, they may have already done that, and I think Canada has moved in some ways towards the Chinese strategy already, which could explain whey it has never reached epidemic proportions here. If that's the case, then perhaps we should just continue as we are now and keep it under control through a strict drug policy.

We might never end it completely, as is the case in China. But like in China, we can keep it under control via a constant fight against its supply. After all, some drugs ar so addictive, ay have gotten addicted to it after a first try.

When the government does the same with tobacco I'll buy into that....but I won't hold my breath.

Pass the bong yo :smile:

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VanIsle

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Dump drug laws and take away the incentive for organized crime
What do you think that will change? Organized crime brings drugs in and they make big bucks. Take it away and their big bucks stop but the kids will continue with their drugs (and adults too) only they will be easier to get and less expensive.
 

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Make drugs legal, MD prescribed, gov't tested (by the CFA or something), and taxed. That way, people will still get their drugs, will at least see their doctors sometimes, the gov't save a bundle on law enforcement, probably save a bundle not having sick druggies plugging up the hospitals, make money on taxes, and make sure the drugs people get are ok.
 

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Learn from countries that have a proven success rate in bringing the drug trade down. The Chinese had learnt their lesson well. You deal with it at the supply side. Anyone caught selling illegal drugs in China is sure to get the death penalty or, at the judge's discretion, life imprisonment. And they do not care one iota if you're a Chinese citizen or a foreigner. They will protect their population from such evil.

Are we prepared to learn from those who have real experience in this and who have in fact succeeded in bringing a trade of epidemic proportions under control?

Let's consider too that China's liberalization of the opium trade was not of its own choosing, but was imposed by military force. Are we prepared to be so stupid as to liberalize drugs on our own soil freely and willingly as China had done under foreign military force?

We've seen the epidemic that liberalization can cause by China's example. Are we prepared to submit to such an epidemic freely and willingly?

Let's learn from history and those who have the knowledge and experience.

Criminalize the sale of illegal drugs, with the death sentence or life imprisonment being applied as selling such drugs essentially amounts to slow murder



China doesn't deal with the addicts except as medical cases. It goes after the supply side, not the demand side, but it cracks down hard on the supply side. They have plenty of historical experience in such matters. Let's learn from the best in this matter.



Deal with the supply side and cut off tis head... literally if necessary.
Well said and thought out.

Do you want to question me or lecture me? If there is no profit for the dealer, the dealer will go out of business - or into another one. Product gets retailed through an outlet similar to LCBO so it can be taxed and anyone selling without a licence is busted under the same circumstances that a bootlegger gets nailed. Cheaper (and taxed) product make it less likely that a user will get into crime to pay for the habit. I can't see it being any worse than legal booze.
Never happen!
 

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Make drugs legal, MD prescribed, gov't tested (by the CFA or something), and taxed. That way, people will still get their drugs, will at least see their doctors sometimes, the gov't save a bundle on law enforcement, probably save a bundle not having sick druggies plugging up the hospitals, make money on taxes, and make sure the drugs people get are ok.

Forcing someone to see a doctor to get a prescription for their fix will pretty much negate the logic behind legalizing drugs. That's just adding another layer of difficulty in the person getting their fix. Why visit a doctor when you can buy it from whoever no questions asked?

Do you really think a crackhead who smokes hundreds of dollars of crack everyday is going to visit the doctor every couple hours to get a rx note? Not to mention the fact that it would be colossal waste of money and would only further increase wait times.
 

petros

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It all depends on which drugs you are talking about. Some still need to be regulated and others legalized and then some merely decriminalized.
 

AnnaG

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Forcing someone to see a doctor to get a prescription for their fix will pretty much negate the logic behind legalizing drugs. That's just adding another layer of difficulty in the person getting their fix. Why visit a doctor when you can buy it from whoever no questions asked?
Gee. I wonder how it works concerning all the other drugs people get. Last time I noticed, people got prescription from doc, they went to pharmacist, picked up prescription and went home to take their meds. You mean this is wrong? You mean that people would not eventually prefer trusted drugs over the weird shyte they find on the street? The reason drug people make money is by making the drugs impure and charging the max of whatever the market will bear. If the drugs are made under gov't control, I bet the production cost and the profit cost would be less than the street. Add a tax to bring it to a little less that street value and no-one would buy from dope dealers.

Do you really think a crackhead who smoked hundreds of dollars of crack everyday is going to visit the doctor every couple hours to get a rx note? Not to mention the fact that it would be colossal waste of money and would only further increase wait times.
People around here get prescriptions that cover a year at a time. Pharmacists usually give out 3 or 4 month supply at a time, so no, people would not be rushing off to their doc every other hour. :roll:
 

petros

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There is no way in hell crack could be by Rx. There isn't a crackhead alive who can control themselves. They will sit and do hit after hit until it's gone or their heart packs it in.

In the end it would eliminate the crackhead but a death sentence by that means is deplorable at best.
 

petros

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You know this how? Why do liquor stores work?
Liquor stores don't work. Salon Selectives is $2.59 and if you can't come up with change the alcohol gel in the hand thing at the mall is just as good for those who aren't your wine connoisseur types.
 

lone wolf

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Liquor stores don't work. Salon Selectives is $2.59 and if you can't come up with change the alcohol gel in the hand thing at the mall is just as good for those who aren't your wine connoisseur types.

...or you can hang your face over the tractor and get high on the gas fumes. The point is, when you're addicted to getting high, you really don't care on what wings you fly.
 

petros

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...or you can hang your face over the tractor and get high on the gas fumes. The point is, when you're addicted to getting high, you really don't care on what wings you fly.
Kid's are dieing or being turned into vegetables from huffing propane daily in northern Canada.