The ten commandments

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the government "accepts" that as for the better of mankind'

they do not accept religious practices to qualify
 
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MHz said:
The royal law is based on this passage.
Jas:2:8:
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself,
ye do well:
Jas:2:9:
But if ye have respect to persons,
ye commit sin,
and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas:2:10:
For whosoever shall keep the whole law,
and yet offend in one point,
he is guilty of all.
Jas:2:11:
For he that said,
Do not commit adultery,
said also,
Do not kill.
Now if thou commit no adultery,
yet if thou kill,
thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas:2:12:
So speak ye,
and so do,
as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

How about the 'fine flour' substitution was rarely used, would that be enough, if not how about this references. the very last one came into effect at the time of the cross.

Heb:10:8:
Above when he said,
Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not,
neither hadst pleasure therein;
which are offered by the law;

Isa:1:11:
To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me?
saith the LORD:
I am full of the burnt offerings of rams,
and the fat of fed beasts;
and I delight not in the blood of bullocks,
or of lambs,
or of he goats.
Isa:1:12:
When ye come to appear before me,
who hath required this at your hand,
to tread my courts?
Isa:1:13:
Bring no more vain oblations;
incense is an abomination unto me;
the new moons and sabbaths,
the calling of assemblies,
I cannot away with;
it is iniquity,
even the solemn meeting.
Isa:1:14:
Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth:
they are a trouble unto me;
I am weary to bear them.
Isa:1:15:
And when ye spread forth your hands,
I will hide mine eyes from you:
yea,
when ye make many prayers,
I will not hear:
your hands are full of blood.
Isa:1:16:
Wash you,
make you clean;
put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes;
cease to do evil;
Isa:1:17:
Learn to do well;
seek judgment,
relieve the oppressed,
judge the fatherless,
plead for the widow.

Isa:66:3:
He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man;
he that sacrificeth a lamb,
as if he cut off a dog's neck;
he that offereth an oblation,
as if he offered swine's blood;
he that burneth incense,
as if he blessed an idol.
Yea,
they have chosen their own ways,
and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

Rather than reply to your previous post I tried to make it clear that the 10 commandments have to deal with how God judges a person's conduct. The 600 other laws are guidelines to how neighbors should treat other neighbors. So they are both morality laws but there are two separate ones they are meant for.
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Maybe you should have just replied to my post? If you want to make a statement fine - go down and write a comment - but if you are replying to my post, then reply. and please - don't 'E.I. Nassir' your posts - there can be such a thing as an overload of quotes - Koranic or Biblical.
 
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darkbeaver said:
I've translated and condensed the commandments for those who have become confused with the passage ages.

BE GOOD, DO WHAT YOUR TOLD, OR WE'LL TORTURE YOU AND KILL YA.:lol:
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That really summarizes it rather nicely. I have always felt that Christian God (and Muslim God) comes across as a tin pot dictator, like Pinochet or Mugabe, threatening to torture and kill you if you don’t obey him.

God is actually even worse than Pinochet or Mugabe. Pinochet or Mugabe would torture you until you die. With death, you escape their torture. But with God, you never die, you are tortured for eternity.
 
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"God is actually even worse than Pinochet or Mugabe. Pinochet or Mugabe would torture you until you die. With death, you escape their torture. But with God, you never die, you are tortured for eternity."

A bunch more bullsh*t. We don't know what God does, this business of burning for eternity in Hell and so on is man's interpretation and probably just a very few men who are trying in their ignorant way to score points with "The Big Guy"-bet he's laughing like a bugger. A personal belief in something is one thing but once you start professing to everyone else that you have the answers is a sure way to squelch your credibility because you don't have any.
 
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YukonJack said:
Quoting the detractors of the Ten Commandments, who, nevertheless could offer nothing better:

AnnaG:

"None are wrong. The first 4 show immense vanity and aq couple other nasty human traits, though."

So, AnnaG, respecting you father and mother is an antiquated silly nonsense?
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Your mother is a dope addict, ignores you when you are hungry, never does any housework and your father is a drug pusher/addict, beats you and your mother when he's doped up, etc. What's to respect?
 
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I think every religion must have levels of reciprocity, but as far as Jesus? He was a Jew. He was not stating something totally new, he was merely reiterating what had been taught to him and to other Jews throughout their history.Leviticus is the 3rd book of what Christians call the Old Testament. The first 10 commandments were written in the previous book, Exodus. Leviticus continued what was begun in Exodus, and gives more laws- ethical laws, which are laws governing the behaviour of a human being towards other humans, and ritual laws - laws that govern human behaviour and God. Even the ritual laws are ethical. Animals must be killed in a ritual manner, with a sharp knife and a clean swift cut. This ensures that the animal that gives its life for food or sacrifice suffers as little as possible. that is not only ritual, it's ethical as well.

Anyone who wants to believe that the 'Golden Rule' originated with Jesus hasn't read Leviticus 19:18, "Love your neighbour as yourself. I am the Lord".
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... or else they think the world started with Judaism.
 
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MHz said:
My point was to show that those Laws are not part of the Royal Law which is the original commandments (as well as the blood sacrifice got more than a little out of control). Christians have two Laws from Jesus and the 'recommendations in Romans 13' tell us to obey the Governments of the land we live on.

Why bring up OT morality laws that do not apply to todays living population? The 10 commandments are as valid today, concerning a person's relationship with God, as they were when first written. They do not have to be unique to the time they were written to be from God, Moses fled Egypt because he killed and Egyptian, had it been a 'slave' no flight would have been necessary. Even the early Laws favored the Tribes over a Gentile when the same 'sin' was committed.
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They are only valid for those who believe in your brand of religion. Not everyone.

That same unbalance can also be found in today's societies.
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Yeah, there are a lot of IMbalances available.
 
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JLM said:
"God is actually even worse than Pinochet or Mugabe. Pinochet or Mugabe would torture you until you die. With death, you escape their torture. But with God, you never die, you are tortured for eternity."

A bunch more bullsh*t. We don't know what God does, this business of burning for eternity in Hell and so on is man's interpretation and probably just a very few men who are trying in their ignorant way to score points with "The Big Guy"-bet he's laughing like a bugger. A personal belief in something is one thing but once you start professing to everyone else that you have the answers is a sure way to squelch your credibility because you don't have any.
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Yeah, well, the entire book was written by people and is open to interpretation. So whatever happens is anyone's guess and all guesses are just as valid as the others.
 
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Quoting JLM
"God is actually even worse than Pinochet or Mugabe. Pinochet or Mugabe would torture you until you die. With death, you escape their torture. But with God, you never die, you are tortured for eternity."

I went to the Pinochet Museum a few weeks a go. Strange guy that is for sure. He had a kick ass toy army that would make any 12 year old boy jealous.
 
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AnnaG said:
... or else they think the world started with Judaism.
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Well that would be silly, wouldn't it? They world certainly didn't start with Judaism, but Judaism is the bedrock of Christianity and Islam. Jesus was born a Jew and died a Jew. He didn't go out to start a new religion - he never 'preached' any new, revolutionary doctrine.His followers started Christianity.
 
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Downhome_Woman said:
Well that would be silly, wouldn't it? They world certainly didn't start with Judaism, but Judaism is the bedrock of Christianity and Islam. Jesus was born a Jew and died a Jew. He didn't go out to start a new religion - he never 'preached' any new, revolutionary doctrine.His followers started Christianity.
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Yes, it would be silly. But I bet there are people that think that. Probably related to those that think Earth and the universe it is in are only 6000 years old, too. lol
BTW, the only evidence that this Christ charact4er existed is hearsay, last I heard. Hubby and I dug fairly deeply into it for a while.:)
 
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