"Insulted" by Israel, U.S. scrambles to save talks

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Hmmm... Not really, the prayerful intent, I will use the Balfour Letter as a guide as I have no other available to me and that's the one I keep hearing about, stated quite clearly a Commonwealth....Commonwealths are complex, but they are inclusive. A Republic on the other hand, is a Man construction, a faux structure which allows all in the structure to "Be as Kings", or that was the intent. Prayer and intentions matter....

So, straight up, what are they going for a "State"(Republic) or "Commonwealth"?
Would you like me to stop "kibitzing around"? The original goal started as a commonwealth but that meant Arabs were equals and the place was still known as Palestine but equality wasn't good enough for God's chosen people so in 47 they switched to the two state (republik) mode with the formation of Israel and the partitioning of Palestine.
 
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Since the Exodus was written before 1200 BC, (Old Testament, and just referenced as a history book in this case.) The Bible backs up Israelis claim, and supersedes the UN.



As a formal end to the Seder, Jews express the hope that they will be able to celebrate next year in the in Israel and Jerusalem. have the custom of concluding the Seder with the words "Next year in Jerusalem."



Present day: As a formal end to the Seder, Jews express the hope that they will be able to celebrate next year in the Jerusalem of the Messianic Era. Jews living in Israel, especially in Jerusalem, and even some Jews who live outside of Israel but wish to acknowledge that there are Jews celebrating the Seder in Jerusalem today, have the custom of concluding the Seder with the words "Next year in rebuilt Jerusalem."



The Palestinians do not belong in Israel unless they swear allegiance to Israel as their country.
 

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Would you like me to stop "kibitzing around"? The original goal started as a commonwealth but that meant Arabs were equals and the place was still known as Palestine but equality wasn't good enough for God's chosen people so in 47 they switched to the two state (republik) mode with the formation of Israel and the partitioning of Palestine.

So, now we're at the root of the problem.
They have not met the specs. to receive God's blessing of Peace.

I don't make the rules.
 
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Try to focus.......

Both Arab and most Jews are semites.....exactly the same racial stock.

Thank you....you can go back to incoherent ranting now.
Really? So we aren't a race all our own and it explains why I have blue eyes and blond hair?
 

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Since the Exodus was written before 1200 BC, (Old Testament, and just referenced as a history book in this case.) The Bible backs up Israelis claim, and supersedes the UN.
Is that how us White-eyes justified the slaughter of the Indians, they had only been on the land 12,000 years?

When God fought their battles after the exodus He took on the Philistines, and it would not be wise for Moses's 12 Tribes to take on the High Priest of Salem. The same one that determined His 'other sheep' would rule in Jerusalem. The 12 Tribes were removed because the Temple staff would rather kill the OT Prophets than listen to them. God was so sickened by that He removed them from the land by sending Neb in before the time of the Gentile rule was to begin. I don't see them dancing on tops of any vans announcing that to the world.

As a formal end to the Seder, Jews express the hope that they will be able to celebrate next year in the in Israel and Jerusalem. have the custom of concluding the Seder with the words "Next year in Jerusalem."
Without God Jerusalem is just another piece of dusty earth. You would think that after 70 of 'no peace' they would catch on that God is not with them this time, best to back away and wait for Him to call to them in person. They cannot produce God today, God will not vouch for the claims they make. How much swamp land do you people need before ...........

Present day: As a formal end to the Seder, Jews express the hope that they will be able to celebrate next year in the Jerusalem of the Messianic Era. Jews living in Israel, especially in Jerusalem, and even some Jews who live outside of Israel but wish to acknowledge that there are Jews celebrating the Seder in Jerusalem today, have the custom of concluding the Seder with the words "Next year in rebuilt Jerusalem."
Well they better hurry up, there are still a lot of people for them to kill before the 1,000 years without war will begin. When Christ does come do they not think He will have something to say about exiled Jews killing Gentiles, the ones Christ calls His People ever since the Gospel began to be preached to Gentiles rather than in the Temple. 40 years the Temple went without one Apostle setting foot inside it. They preached to the people of Jerusalem from outside the Temple complex. If you think Adam and Eve were looking a little sheepidh when God confronted them in the Garden. Wait till modern Jews have that promise of eternal life put on hold and quite possibly removed permanently. The lake doesn't seem to be a place you should actually try and get into.

Re:18:6:
Reward her even as she rewarded you,
and double unto her double according to her works:
in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
Re:18:7:
How much she hath glorified herself,
and lived deliciously,
so much torment and sorrow give her:
for she saith in her heart,
I sit a queen,
and am no widow,
and shall see no sorrow.

God has a habit of bringing shame on the conceited, they should know that above all people.

The Palestinians do not belong in Israel unless they swear allegiance to Israel as their country.
They don't have to, they were promised their own country. Plus they deserve about $18 trillion in damages, even without God there being a place still called the 'Glorious Land by God' sends it price per foot rocketing up, and if it is sold to a Jew the price is double.

You should really grow up to just how they view all gentiles. I will warn you right now the links starts off with the picture of an 11 year old who was killed by having his arm chopped off so just read the text from the article instead.
http://globalfire.tv/nj/09en/jews/killingguide.htm

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,MS Sans Serif] When is it permissible to kill non-Jews? The book "Torat ha-Melekh" [The King's Teaching - INT], which was just published, was written by Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira, the dean of the Od Yosef Hai yeshiva in the community of Yitzhar near Nablus, together with another rabbi from the yeshiva, Yossi Elitzur. The book contains no fewer than 230 pages on the laws concerning the killing of non-Jews, a kind of guide for anyone who ponders the question of if and when it is permissible to take the life of a non-Jew.[/FONT]​
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,MS Sans Serif] Although the book is not being distributed by the leading book companies, it has already received warm recommendations from right-wing elements, including recommendations from important rabbis such as Yitzhak Ginsburg, Dov Lior and Yaakov Yosef, that were printed at the beginning of the book. The book is being distributed via the Internet and through the yeshiva, and at this stage the introductory price is NIS 30 per copy. At the memorial ceremony that was held over the weekend in Jerusalem for Rabbi Meir Kahane, who was killed nineteen years ago, copies of the book were sold.[/FONT]​
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,MS Sans Serif] Throughout the book, the authors deal with in-depth theoretical questions in Jewish religious law regarding the killing of non-Jews. The words "Arabs" and "Palestinians" are not mentioned even indirectly, and the authors are careful to avoid making explicit statements in favor of an individual taking the law into his own hands. The book includes hundreds of sources from the Bible and religious law. The book includes quotes from Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook, one of the fathers of religious Zionism, and from Rabbi Shaul Yisraeli, one of the deans of the Mercaz Harav Yeshiva, the stronghold of national-religious Zionism that is located in Jerusalem.[/FONT]​
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,MS Sans Serif] The book opens with a prohibition against killing non-Jews and justifies it, among other things, on the grounds of preventing hostility and any desecration of God's name. But very quickly, the authors move from prohibition to permission, to the various dispensations for harming non-Jews, with the central reason being their obligation to uphold the seven Noahide laws, which every human being on earth must follow. Among these commandments are prohibitions on theft, bloodshed and idolatry. [The seven Noahide laws prohibit idolatry, murder, theft, illicit sexual relations, blasphemy and eating the flesh of a live animal, and require societies to institute just laws and law courts - INT][/FONT]​
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,MS Sans Serif] "When we approach a non-Jew who has violated the seven Noahide laws and kill him out of concern for upholding these seven laws, no prohibition has been violated," states the book, which emphasizes that killing is forbidden unless it is done in obedience to a court ruling. But later on, the authors limit the prohibition, noting that it applies only to a "proper system that deals with non-Jews who violate the seven Noahide commandments."[/FONT]​
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,MS Sans Serif] The book includes another conclusion that explains when a non-Jew may be killed even if he is not an enemy of the Jews. "In any situation in which a non-Jew's presence endangers Jewish lives, the non-Jew may be killed even if he is a righteous Gentile and not at all guilty for the situation that has been created," the authors state. "When a non-Jew assists a murderer of Jews and causes the death of one, he may be killed, and in any case where a non-Jew's presence causes danger to Jews, the non-Jew may be killed."[/FONT]​
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,MS Sans Serif] One of the dispensations for killing non-Jews, according to religious law, applies in a case of din rodef [the law of the "pursuer," according to which one who is pursuing another with murderous intent may be killed extrajudicially] even when the pursuer is a civilian. "The dispensation applies even when the pursuer is not threatening to kill directly, but only indirectly," the book states. "Even a civilian who assists combat fighters is considered a pursuer and may be killed. Anyone who assists the army of the wicked in any way is strengthening murderers and is considered a pursuer. A civilian who encourages the war gives the king and his soldiers the strength to continue. Therefore, any citizen of the state that opposes us who encourages the combat soldiers or expresses satisfaction over their actions is considered a pursuer and may be killed. Also, anyone who weakens our own state by word or similar action is considered a pursuer."[/FONT]​
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,MS Sans Serif] Rabbis Shapira and Elitzur determine that children may also be harmed because they are "hindrances." The rabbis write as follows: "Hindrances - babies are found many times in this situation. They block the way to rescue by their presence and do so completely by force. Nevertheless, they may be killed because their presence aids murder. There is justification for killing babies if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us, and in such a situation they may be harmed deliberately, and not only during combat with adults."[/FONT]​
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,MS Sans Serif] In addition, the children of the leader may be harmed in order to apply pressure to him. If attacking the children of a wicked ruler will influence him not to behave wickedly, they may be harmed. "It is better to kill the pursuers than to kill others," the authors state.[/FONT]​
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,MS Sans Serif] In a chapter entitled "Deliberate harm to innocents," the book explains that war is directly mainly against the pursuers, but those who belong to the enemy nation are also considered the enemy because they are assisting murderers.[/FONT]​
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,MS Sans Serif] Retaliation also has a place and purpose in this book by Rabbis Shapira and Elitzur. "In order to defeat the enemy, we must behave toward them in a spirit of retaliation and measure for measure," they state. "Retaliation is absolutely necessary in order to render such wickedness not worthwhile. Therefore, sometimes we do cruel deeds in order to create the proper balance of terror."[/FONT]​
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,MS Sans Serif] In one of the footnotes, the two rabbis write in such a way that appears to permit individuals to act on their own, outside of any decision by the government or the army.[/FONT]​
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,MS Sans Serif] "A decision by the nation is not necessary to permit shedding the blood of the evil kingdom," the rabbis write. "Even individuals from the nation being attacked may harm them."[/FONT]​
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,MS Sans Serif] Unlike books of religious law that are published by yeshivas, this time the rabbis added a chapter containing the book's conclusions. Each of the six chapters is summarized into main points of several lines, which state, among other things: "In religious law, we have found that non-Jews are generally suspected of shedding Jewish blood, and in war, this suspicion becomes a great deal stronger. One must consider killing even babies, who have not violated the seven Noahide laws, because of the future danger that will be caused if they are allowed to grow up to be as wicked as their parents."[/FONT]​
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,MS Sans Serif] Even though the authors are careful, as stated, to use the term "non-Jews," there are certainly those who could interpret the nationality of the "non-Jews" who are liable to endanger the Jewish people. This is strengthened by the leaflet "The Jewish Voice," which is published on the Internet from Yitzhar, which comments on the book: "It is superfluous to note that nowhere in the book is it written that the statements are directly only to the ancient non-Jews." The leaflet's editors did not omit a stinging remark directed at the GSS, who will certainly take the trouble to get themselves a copy. "The editors suggest to the GSS that they award the prize for Israel's security to the authors," the leaflet states, "who gave the detectives the option of reading the summarized conclusions without any need for in-depth study of the entire book."[/FONT]​
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,MS Sans Serif] One student of the Od Yosef Hai yeshiva in Yitzhar explained, from his point of view, where Rabbis Shapira and Elitzur got the courage to speak so freely on a subject such as the killing of non-Jews. "The rabbis aren't afraid of prosecution because in that case, Maimonides [Rabbi Moses ben Maimon, 1135–1204] and Nahmanides [Rabbi Moses ben Nahman, 1194–1270] would have to stand trial too, and anyway, this is research on religious law," the yeshiva student said. "In a Jewish state, nobody sits in jail for studying Torah."[/FONT]​
 
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Try to focus.......

Both Arab and most Jews are semites.....exactly the same racial stock.
So what's the story Tippy?

Yesterday you tell me there are no Arab Zionists but today you tell me that Arabs are Semites and we all know Semites are Jewish and are Zionist and you're the same guy that calls me (the half Jew) anti-Semite when I say that Zionists are pigs or support the rights and freedoms of Palestinians although Palestinians are Semites?

So what am I? Anti-Semite? Anti-Zionist? Racist? Self Hating Jew? Biggot? Anti-Israel? Pro-Palestine? Heeb? White Heeb? Semite?

What are you Tippy?
 

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So what's the story Tippy?

Yesterday you tell me there are no Arab Zionists but today you tell me that Arabs are Semites and we all know Semites are Jewish and are Zionist and you're the same guy that calls me (the half Jew) anti-Semite when I say that Zionists are pigs or support the rights and freedoms of Palestinians although Palestinians are Semites?

So what am I? Anti-Semite? Anti-Zionist? Racist? Self Hating Jew? Biggot? Anti-Israel? Pro-Palestine? Heeb? White Heeb? Semite?

What are you Tippy?


Me??? I'm a WASP, through and through, pure-bred.......Scots Presbyterian and English Dissenters (Baptists).....

I don't think I ever called you an anti-Semite....I usually try not to use that phrase, as it is non-sensical...........

I have NO idea WHAT you are......,

when I think I've figured that out.....THEN I'll be worried about my mental health.
 

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Here is some basic information about Israel from wikipedia:

History of Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

History of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Israel has no constitution or fixed borders. So its still a work in progress. But they have a changing set of Basic Laws:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Laws_of_Israel

To be balanced you should also consider the Palestinian viewpoint:

Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1948 Palestinian exodus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you want to know what's been going on lately read the Goldstone report and you'll get the idea:

I recommend you read at least the Summary:
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=32057

If you want the gory details, read the report:
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/specialsession/9/docs/UNFFMGC_Report.pdf
 

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Sure, it was formed by the vote of 33 UN member Nations that resulted in the passing of UN Resolution 181. Notice that until Jews started slaughtering Arabs in the middle of the night (Nov, '47), adding more land than the UN allotted, (private and public lands) claiming independence with no right of the refugees to take their complaints to any court.

You need to make a few distinctions here. This has nothing to do with 'the Jews'. Not all Jews are Israelis, just as not all Israelis are Jews. They are two distinct groups. Jews are merely members of a religious community having nothing to do with Israeli politics and should be left out of the discussion altogether.

Israel is Israel; the Jewish community is the Jewish community.
 

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Israeli medics: Man killed by Gaza rocket

JERUSALEM – Palestinian militants fired a rocket at Israel from the Gaza Strip on Thursday, killing a Thai farm worker, Israeli medics said, in the first death from a rocket attack since Israel's Gaza offensive last year.
Magen David Adom, Israel's emergency service, said the man was about 30 years old and was working in an agricultural community just north of Gaza when he was killed.

A small Islamist faction calling itself Ansar al-Sunna claimed responsibility for the attack. Similar hardline groups, which are inspired by al-Qaida's radical ideology and see Gaza's Hamas rulers as too moderate, have been responsible for most of the attacks since the Gaza war ended in January 2009.

A second group, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, also later claimed responsibility.

Israeli medics: Man killed by Gaza rocket - Yahoo! News
 

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Israeli medics: Man killed by Gaza rocket

JERUSALEM – Palestinian militants fired a rocket at Israel from the Gaza Strip on Thursday, killing a Thai farm worker, Israeli medics said, in the first death from a rocket attack since Israel's Gaza offensive last year.
Magen David Adom, Israel's emergency service, said the man was about 30 years old and was working in an agricultural community just north of Gaza when he was killed.

A small Islamist faction calling itself Ansar al-Sunna claimed responsibility for the attack. Similar hardline groups, which are inspired by al-Qaida's radical ideology and see Gaza's Hamas rulers as too moderate, have been responsible for most of the attacks since the Gaza war ended in January 2009.

A second group, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, also later claimed responsibility.

Israeli medics: Man killed by Gaza rocket - Yahoo! News
Wow they must have good intel to fire the rockets moments after the most senior EU Official steps into Israel.

Are they sure they got the country right, the ones claiminr responsibility are these guys.

Ansar al-Sunnah or Jamaat Ansar al-Sunnah or Group of the Followers of Sunnah , is a militant salafi group in Iraq that is fighting the U.S.-led occupation and the elected government led by Nouri al-Maliki. The group is based in northern and central Iraq, and includes both Kurdish and Arab Sunnis as well as foreign fighters. The group was founded in September 2003 as an umbrella organization for guerrillas, with former members of Ansar al-Islam a Kurdish Islamic organization based in the mountains near Halabja in northeastern Iraq before the U.S-led invasion, at its core. This date coincides with the first released message from the group stating their existence, on September 20. Their goal is to expel U.S. occupation forces from Iraq. The group's leader has been identified Abu Abdullah al-Hassan bin Mahmoud, who is believed to be the brother of a major Ansar al-Islam fighter, although his background is unclear.

Read more: Army of Ansar al-Sunna

The link below is the 2nd group who is claiming responsibility, I'm not sure why they would travel from the West Bank to Gaza to fire the rocket and then own up to it.

Terrorism - In the Spotlight: al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades

I didn't realize that Israel gets to outsource it's menial jobs (after firing all the Palestinians). Is having a few Thai workers equal to employing illegal Mexicans in the US?
 

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Wow they must have good intel to fire the rockets moments after the most senior EU Official steps into Israel.

Are they sure they got the country right, the ones claiminr responsibility are these guys.

Ansar al-Sunnah or Jamaat Ansar al-Sunnah or Group of the Followers of Sunnah , is a militant salafi group in Iraq that is fighting the U.S.-led occupation and the elected government led by Nouri al-Maliki. The group is based in northern and central Iraq, and includes both Kurdish and Arab Sunnis as well as foreign fighters. The group was founded in September 2003 as an umbrella organization for guerrillas, with former members of Ansar al-Islam a Kurdish Islamic organization based in the mountains near Halabja in northeastern Iraq before the U.S-led invasion, at its core. This date coincides with the first released message from the group stating their existence, on September 20. Their goal is to expel U.S. occupation forces from Iraq. The group's leader has been identified Abu Abdullah al-Hassan bin Mahmoud, who is believed to be the brother of a major Ansar al-Islam fighter, although his background is unclear.

The link below is the 2nd group who is claiming responsibility, I'm not sure why they would travel from the West Bank to Gaza to fire the rocket and then own up to it.



I didn't realize that Israel gets to outsource it's menial jobs (after firing all the Palestinians). Is having a few Thai workers equal to employing illegal Mexicans in the US?

I don't care who or what they are, the Palestinians allowed it to happen and they will suffer any retaliation that may come from it.

I doubt any Thai swam or sneaked into Israel.
 
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I don't care who or what they are, the Palestinians allowed it to happen and they will suffer any retaliation that may come from it.

I doubt any Thai swam or sneaked into Israel.
We both already know the bombers won't be unleashed until the EU can't see the extent of the retaliation. Prove that "Palestinians allowed it to happen" the IDF could have sent it in as a false-flag operation.
I meant 'illegal' in the terms that they can be paid less than the 'official minimum wage'. Even the US 'elite in the Government' have had 'illegals' working for them. I wonder if that comes from a hidden fantasy about 'owing people like a piece of property'.
 
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I meant 'illegal' in the terms that they can be paid less than the 'official minimum wage'. Even the US 'elite in the Government' have had 'illegals' working for them. I wonder if that comes from a hidden fantasy about 'owing people like a piece of property'.
In historical Roman controlled Israel over 85% of people where slaves. That number alone should adequately answer your question for you.