Liberal phobia and the cause….

[TenPenny]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Yep, just another indication of what a joke many statistics are.

Take the city of New Orleans 20 years ago when the police force was the most corrupt in the country and half the murders there were committed by the cops- how much of what went on there ever made it to the statistics reports? Mark Twain pretty well hit the nail on the head when he said "there are lies, damned lies and statistics"

I blame Steven Seagal for that.

 

[lone wolf]

I think there is a good possibility that what you have proved is that people in the east are just sneakier. :smile:

...at least the ones who milk statistics and manipulate facts are....

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I think there is a good possibility that what you have proved is that people in the east are just sneakier. :smile:

To you perhaps. But I return to my original point, which started the discussion. I think gun ownership is higher in the West, in general, that in the East. Statistics tell us that gun related crime is higher in the West than in the East.

Now, that doesn’t prove that there is a connection of course. But there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest that high gun ownership can be a contributing factor toward high crime rate.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Yep, just another indication of what a joke many statistics are.

Quite so, when statistics don't agree with your preconceived notions, they are a joke.

 

[DaSleeper]

To some people:roll: statistics are only valid from certain sources....meaning only those that support their point of view......
All others are to be poo poo'ed and brushed aside as irrelevant;-)

Some are more adept at this exercise than others:lol:

 

[AnnaG]

OK Ron, here is the statistics on gun crime in Canada. In the top five cities, three are in the West, the first two are in the West. Or look at it another way, there are six cities with higher than average gun violence, four of them are in the West. Now I don't know about you, but at least in my mind, this proves my point.

What you say may be partially true, no doubt some crimes involved knife. However, there was plenty of gun related violence in the West, more so than in the East.

So much for gun control then, huh? Sorry for pointing out the massive, glaring glitch in the Gliberal pet program. lmao

 

[AnnaG]

Available from Canadian Firearms Center stats (Dec. 2009):
The Canadian Firearms Program recorded 1,843,913 valid firearm licenses (that's about 5.4% of the population) with 7,459,504 registered firearms (stat from Sept. 2009. They still haven't a clue how many unregistered weapons are around and guesses cover a large range from 8.5 million to 18 million. The most licensed provinces are Ontario, Quebec, Alberta, and BC.

 

[DaSleeper]

Anna: don't you just love it when certain things are conveniently left out of statistics and just the ones that support you are brought to the forefront :smile:

One-quarter of firearm-related victimizations occur in Toronto

A total of 1,993 people in the Toronto CMA were victims of a violent offence related to guns in 2006, about one-quarter of the national total.

However, in terms of rates which take into account differences in population, Toronto was third highest behind Vancouver and Winnipeg.

In Vancouver, there were 45.3 violent offences involving guns for every 100,000 population, the highest rate in the nation and well above the national average of 27.5. Winnipeg's rate was 43.9 and Toronto's was 40.4.

And Toronto is safer than the west:lol:

 

[AnnaG]

Anna: don't you just love it when certain things are conveniently left out of statistics and just the ones that support you are brought to the forefront :smile:


And Toronto is safer than the west:lol:

Yeah, I love it, especially when ill-informed donkeys get dents in their deluded views.

 

[JLM]

To you perhaps. But I return to my original point, which started the discussion. I think gun ownership is higher in the West, in general, that in the East. Statistics tell us that gun related crime is higher in the West than in the East.

Now, that doesn’t prove that there is a connection of course. But there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest that high gun ownership can be a contributing factor toward high crime rate.

What percentage of rifles and shotguns are involved in crimes? To be able to speak sensibly o the subject these figures are compulsory.

 

[TenPenny]

To be able to speak sensibly o the subject...

Well now you're just being silly, expecting that....

 

[AnnaG]

There are nearly 7 million registered long-guns in Canada. Yet of 2,441 homicides recorded in Canada since mandatory long-gun registration was introduced in 2003, fewer than 2 percent (47) were committed with rifles and shotguns known to have been registered.

Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics (2008 )

Like it's been said by many and ignored by the Glibs, restrict guns all you want in Canada and only the law-abiding people will be affected by the restrictions.
Like hubby said, I have Liberalphobia, not liberalphobia.

 

[countryboy]

There are nearly 7 million registered long-guns in Canada. Yet of 2,441 homicides recorded in Canada since mandatory long-gun registration was introduced in 2003, fewer than 2 percent (47) were committed with rifles and shotguns known to have been registered.
Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics (2008 )

Like it's been said by many and ignored by the Glibs, restrict guns all you want in Canada and only the law-abiding people will be affected by the restrictions.
Like hubby said, I have Liberalphobia, not liberalphobia.

There's another cause of Liberalphobia. Two Percent? I wonder where the offending unregistered weapons reside in Canada? Could a few of them be in Toronto? 'Course, I have no statistical charts on that one...and neither does anyone else.

 

[JLM]

Well now you're just being silly, expecting that....

More like being down right ridiculous. :lol::lol::lol:

 

[Risus]

And Toronto is safer than the west:lol:

That depends on where in Toronto you live....

 

[bobnoorduyn]

Sorry, I'm neither little nor am I a beaver. And it isn't what I think of what you say, it's what the facts are that points to your errors. I proved what I said and you can't prove what you've said. It's simple.
What do trains have to do with anything?

You've proven what you said by way of Wikipedia, what I'm saying is that you, and the eggheads who contribute to such things, over complicate and thereby obfuscate reality. The train is a metaphor for totalitariansm, analise it all you want, give it names, give names to subgroups of ideologies. It doesn't matter what you want to call it, it is coming, recognise it for what it is. What I, and the other writers of this analysis have done is simplify it. When it comes to totalitarianism, give it whatever name you want, it is still bad for the health.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

To you perhaps. But I return to my original point, which started the discussion. I think gun ownership is higher in the West, in general, that in the East. Statistics tell us that gun related crime is higher in the West than in the East.

I guess you didn't read Colpy's post.

Now, that doesn’t prove that there is a connection of course. But there is plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest that high gun ownership can be a contributing factor toward high crime rate.

As there is plenty of actual evidence that severe restrictions on firearms ownership leads to an increase in violent crime in places such as Washington, Chicago, and New York. Sure there are gun crimes there, but the criminals are the ones with the guns. History is rife with evidence of arms control leading to the extermination of citizens.

You have absolutely no right to limit my ownership of arms to defend myself or those under my care, if you think you do that would make you patently evil. Romeo Dallaire saw the evil of lopsided arms ownership, and it f*cked him up forever, I am a member of JPFO, many members of which also saw the result of such evils. Protection of our lives and those of our loved ones is not just a right but a duty, not one to be usurped by the state, and definately not one to be limited by those who have no stomach for reality.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

I don't give a crap who controls what, facts are facts.
Show us some links that prove Wiki wrong then.

According to Princeton University left-wing means "those who support varying degrees of social or political or economic change designed to promote the public welfare "
and right-wing means " those who support political or social or economic conservatism; those who believe that things are better left unchanged ".

Random House Dictionary says left-wing is,
"1.members of a liberal or radical political party, or those favoring extensive political reform.

2.such a party or a group of such parties.

3.the part of a political or social organization advocating a liberal or radical position."


and right-wing is
"1.members of a conservative or reactionary political party, or those opposing extensive political reform.

2.such a political party or a group of such parties.

3.that part of a political or social organization advocating a conservative or reactionary position: The union's right wing favored a moderate course of action."

Left-wing, leftist: A Glossary of Political Economy Terms - Dr. Paul M. Johnson
Right-wing, rightist: A Glossary of Political Economy Terms - Dr. Paul M. Johnson

Left-wing and right-wing ideologies are independent of libertarian/authoritarian ideologies.

:roll::roll::roll:
"Random House Dictionary says left-wing is,
"1.members of a liberal or radical political party, or those favoring extensive political reform. "

The ones favouring extensive political reform was Preston Manning who attempted to resurrect the Cons from the grave after Mulroney’s dismal performance. He founded two political parties – the Reform Party and the Canadian Reform Conservative Alliance – both of which became the official Opposition in the Canadian Parliament.

The reason for such drastic name change was, to fool the electorate by making them forget the Mulroney political tyranny inflicted on Canadians.

So where do you come up with this self serving crap, that the Liberals like to change things, the Liberal Party of Canada has kept its name for decades, with out attempting to fool the electorate, like the Cons do.

Yes the Conservatives in Ottawa are a totalitarian regime, they are a minority Government and act as if they hold the key to indispensable power.

They are on record trying after they got elected to cut funding to all opposition starving them financially so they can be the a CORPORATE GOVERNMENT FUNDED BY CORPORATIONS, AND F THE PEOPLE LIKE MULRONEY DID.

 

[CDNBear]

:roll::roll::roll:
"Random House Dictionary says left-wing is,
"1.members of a liberal or radical political party, or those favoring extensive political reform. "

The ones favouring extensive political reform was Preston Manning who attempted to resurrect the Cons from the grave after Mulroney’s dismal performance. He founded two political parties – the Reform Party and the Canadian Reform Conservative Alliance – both of which became the official Opposition in the Canadian Parliament.

The reason for such drastic name change was, to fool the electorate by making them forget the Mulroney political tyranny inflicted on Canadians.

So where do you come up with this self serving crap, that the Liberals like to change things, the Liberal Party of Canada has kept its name for decades, with out attempting to fool the electorate, like the Cons do.

Yes the Conservatives in Ottawa are a totalitarian regime, they are a minority Government and act as if they hold the key to indispensable power.

They are on record trying after they got elected to cut funding to all opposition starving them financially so they can be the a CORPORATE GOVERNMENT FUNDED BY CORPORATIONS, AND F THE PEOPLE LIKE MULRONEY DID.

How do you expect to be taken seriously with extremist crap like that?

 

[Socrates the Greek]

By by Happiness, hello deficits, I THINK I AM GOING TO LOSE SEAT.