1895 school exam, are we dumb?

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Spade's 1895 test for bloggers
English
" A horse's neighs bring tears to a Scotsman's ayes." Discuss.
Mathematics
How many quarter horses are there in two clydesdales?
Agriculture
What game does a team of horse play?
Logic
Can a frog be hoarse? Can a horse have afrog in its throat?
History
Which is the older country - Canada or germany?

Let me try this. The first one is a play on words and needs no real answer.
Clydesdales are a breed of horse and a quarter horse is another breed, so my guess is none.
A team of horse(s) would play a game of wagon or plow pulling.
Frog hoarse and horse with frog - another play on words.
Canada - 1867; Germany was not united until 1871.
 

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Let me try this. The first one is a play on words and needs no real answer.
Clydesdales are a breed of horse and a quarter horse is another breed, so my guess is none.
A team of horse(s) would play a game of wagon or plow pulling.
Frog hoarse and horse with frog - another play on words.
Canada - 1867; Germany was not united until 1871.

I must be a scholar, I got the last one right....:lol::lol:
 

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It is hardly fair to compare education in 1895 to education today. For one thing, population of USA was much smaller in those days, and my guess is that many kids did not go to school at all; I assume they didn’t have compulsory schooling in those days. Schooling wouldn’t be much good for somebody who was going to spend his entire life as a farmer.

So the number of students in those days was much smaller compared to today. Today there are many more students in USA. When you have such a huge sample, you are going to get members at both end of the spectrum. There will be some for whom the system fails. But at the other end, there are also many who get much better education, are much better educated than they were back in 1895.

Indeed, can the scientists, engineers, architects etc. from those days compare with scientists, engineers, architects today? I seriously doubt it.

Incidentally, I would have a bit of the problem with the math myself. I have no idea how many pounds to a bushel or how many rods to an acre.
 

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It is hardly fair to compare education in 1895 to education today. For one thing, population of USA was much smaller in those days, and my guess is that many kids did not go to school at all; I assume they didn’t have compulsory schooling in those days. Schooling wouldn’t be much good for somebody who was going to spend his entire life as a farmer.

So the number of students in those days was much smaller compared to today. Today there are many more students in USA. When you have such a huge sample, you are going to get members at both end of the spectrum. There will be some for whom the system fails. But at the other end, there are also many who get much better education, are much better educated than they were back in 1895.

Indeed, can the scientists, engineers, architects etc. from those days compare with scientists, engineers, architects today? I seriously doubt it.

Incidentally, I would have a bit of the problem with the math myself. I have no idea how many pounds to a bushel or how many rods to an acre.

A rod is a linear measurement = 161/2 ft. 43560 sq. ft. = one acre. Bushels and pounds aren't interchangable. A bushel is equal to 8 gallons (I believe). 4 rods = 1 chain, hence the standard road R/W of 66'. 10 chains = 1 furlong and 8 furlongs= 1 mile. With metric you miss out on all this interesting stuff. My trade was surveying, hence my (now rather limited) knowledge about this stuff.
 

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A rod is a linear measurement = 161/2 ft. 43560 sq. ft. = one acre. Bushels and pounds aren't interchangable. A bushel is equal to 8 gallons (I believe). 4 rods = 1 chain, hence the standard road R/W of 66'. 10 chains = 1 furlong and 8 furlongs= 1 mile. With metric you miss out on all this interesting stuff. My trade was surveying, hence my (now rather limited) knowledge about this stuff.

If pounds and bushels are not interchangeable, if bushel is a unit of volume, then how do you make sense of the following question?

3. If a load of wheat weighs 3942 lbs., what is it worth at 50cts. per bu, deducting 1050 lbs. for tare?

I assume 50 cts. per bu means 50 cents per bushel (or does it mean something else?). If so, how do you calculate bushels from pounds?
 

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If pounds and bushels are not interchangeable, if bushel is a unit of volume, then how do you make sense of the following question?

3. If a load of wheat weighs 3942 lbs., what is it worth at 50cts. per bu, deducting 1050 lbs. for tare?

I assume 50 cts. per bu means 50 cents per bushel (or does it mean something else?). If so, how do you calculate bushels from pounds?

OK, I didn't explain that too well, bushel is a unit of volume. So to convert to weight you have to specify the material, bushel of wheat eg. weighs different than a bushel of lettuce.
 

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OK, I didn't explain that too well, bushel is a unit of volume. So to convert to weight you have to specify the material, bushel of wheat eg. weighs different than a bushel of lettuce.

But then you have to give the bulk density of wheat, without that the question cannot be answered. Or did everybody know the bulk density of wheat in those days?
 

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But then you have to give the bulk density of wheat, without that the question cannot be answered. Or did everybody know the bulk density of wheat in those days?

A wagon box is 2 ft. deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold?
3. If a load of wheat weighs 3942 lbs., what is it worth at 50cts. per bu, deducting 1050 lbs. for tare?


A dry bushel = approx. 1.244 cubic feet, the wagon contains 60 cu. ft. so divide that by 1.244. 3942- 1050 = 2892lbs. The wagon contains approx 48 bushels. $24 - Weight appears to be immaterial.
 

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I remember once going for a job interview. One of the questions asked me was, 'if I could wish for anything that would better the world, what would it be?'. I replied that I would wish that everyone would have the equivalent of a 10th grade education. The interviewer was surprised and asked why. I said that i figured that the equivalent of a tenth grade education would give people solid skills in things I figured would give them a chance at providing for themselves and their families - reading, writing, basic math skills, a basic knowledge of what was going on beyond their borders and also within their borders. To me, this in turn helps foster a sense of self-worth - giving one the confidence to not just take anothers word for something. Let's face it - if I'm a subsistence farmer someone who makes rugs or pots, I'm more likely to be able to have a say in what I can charge if I actually know how to count, how to write, and if I can read. Lack of these basic skills places us in a cage - we can'r really feed ourselves rather we are dependent on what those with the power want to feed us.

For this reason I also disagree with SJP's remark that, "Schooling wouldn’t be much good for somebody who was going to spend his entire life as a farmer". Farmers still had to buy their seed and sell their crops.Ignorance is a cage, pure and simple. We may not all need - or want, for that matter, to go to university, but a basic education is not a privilege, it's a necessity.
As far s the whole 1895 exam? I'd do well with the English grammar, history and a few others, and I'd flop with the math. But it's irrelevant. that test was based on what was felt important for that time. no doubt grade eight children from 1895 would not be able to pass an exam created in the 21st century.
 

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I remember once going for a job interview. One of the questions asked me was, 'if I could wish for anything that would better the world, what would it be?'. I replied that I would wish that everyone would have the equivalent of a 10th grade education. The interviewer was surprised and asked why. I said that i figured that the equivalent of a tenth grade education would give people solid skills in things I figured would give them a chance at providing for themselves and their families - reading, writing, basic math skills, a basic knowledge of what was going on beyond their borders and also within their borders. To me, this in turn helps foster a sense of self-worth - giving one the confidence to not just take anothers word for something. Let's face it - if I'm a subsistence farmer someone who makes rugs or pots, I'm more likely to be able to have a say in what I can charge if I actually know how to count, how to write, and if I can read. Lack of these basic skills places us in a cage - we can'r really feed ourselves rather we are dependent on what those with the power want to feed us.


For this reason I also disagree with SJP's remark that, "Schooling wouldn’t be much good for somebody who was going to spend his entire life as a farmer". Farmers still had to buy their seed and sell their crops.Ignorance is a cage, pure and simple. We may not all need - or want, for that matter, to go to university, but a basic education is not a privilege, it's a necessity.
As far s the whole 1895 exam? I'd do well with the English grammar, history and a few others, and I'd flop with the math. But it's irrelevant. that test was based on what was felt important for that time. no doubt grade eight children from 1895 would not be able to pass an exam created in the 21st century.

Right on - I was going to question S.J. on that one. Too often I hear the explanation "I don't have to know that to do what I'm doing". Maybe not - but is it what you are going to be doing in 5 years, 10 years, 20 years? Knowledge is a cumulative thing and all the stuff we know today doesn't negate the stuff taught in 1895. No wonder you see clerks in stores and banks stumbling- they don't have a clue about math but they know how to punch keys on a calculator, big deal, if the answer comes out right it's fine, if it doesn't they don't have a clue. When I go in the grocery store, while the cashier is scanning prices I mentally add them in my head, not the exact figure but rounded off so I come up with a total of within a $1 if they've done their job right- that way I don't get home and find out I've been screwed.
 

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A wagon box is 2 ft. deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold?
3. If a load of wheat weighs 3942 lbs., what is it worth at 50cts. per bu, deducting 1050 lbs. for tare?

A dry bushel = approx. 1.244 cubic feet, the wagon contains 60 cu. ft. so divide that by 1.244. 3942- 1050 = 2892lbs. The wagon contains approx 48 bushels. $24 - Weight appears to be immaterial.

Ah, but if the wheat is wet, it doesn't matter because it's worthless anyway. :lol:
 

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Right on - I was going to question S.J. on that one. Too often I hear the explanation "I don't have to know that to do what I'm doing". Maybe not - but is it what you are going to be doing in 5 years, 10 years, 20 years? Knowledge is a cumulative thing and all the stuff we know today doesn't negate the stuff taught in 1895. No wonder you see clerks in stores and banks stumbling- they don't have a clue about math but they know how to punch keys on a calculator, big deal, if the answer comes out right it's fine, if it doesn't they don't have a clue. When I go in the grocery store, while the cashier is scanning prices I mentally add them in my head, not the exact figure but rounded off so I come up with a total of within a $1 if they've done their job right- that way I don't get home and find out I've been screwed.

Yeah, and that's a handy skill when the power goes off or the calculator malfunctions. I think you're talking about the ability to think, which appears to be drowning in a sea of technology.
 

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Schooling wouldn’t be much good for somebody who was going to spend his entire life as a farmer.

I knew a whole bunch of farmers back home that would disagree with that prejudiced/ignorant remark.

Indeed, can the scientists, engineers, architects etc. from those days compare with scientists, engineers, architects today? I seriously doubt it.

In what respect? Are you talking about the ability to think and solve problems effectively? Not sure that I agree with you on that. We seem to still have problems with buildings falling down and killing people, and I believe "today's" engineers and architects might be involved. Scientists are another story...when I see a bunch of them fighting over theories like global warming, I wonder if we have indeed "progressed" in that department.

I guess they're still all human. And imperfect.
 

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This is a good example of why our bridges are falling, buildings are crumbling, airplanes are falling out of the sky, automobiles are breaking down, because we accept poorly trained people to do the important work.

To get into college or university all you need is seventy per cent, which means your missing thirty per cent of knowledge.

University grad means the person is not that smart.

Soon this society will become so obtuse that swinging in the trees will be the norm.