1895 school exam, are we dumb?
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How far has the society progressed since 1895? And who do you suppose was responsible for this progress, this prosperity? Do you think it was the average person? Forget it, it was the scientists, engineers, architects etc.
As to buildings falling down, if one out of a million falls down, people talk about it for years. The other 999, 999, which are just fine do not make any news.
But if the buildings were falling right and left, people wouldn't live in them, they would go back to living in caves. As you say, they are human beings, are not perfect and do make mistakes. However, the overall result has been very impressive and highly beneficial to the humankind.
Geez CB, you've done it again- now they are going to be getting swelled heads actually believing they are of some value. :lol::lol::lol:
I was right, lol. Don't let pride stand in the way of possibilities available to you Johnny.
Very much a wise sentiment, but we aren't talking about someone born with all their faculties in check, and I mean no offense by that Johnny. You've obviously managed to get this far with the tools you poses. But think of how much further you may go, with a little assistance. Pride be damn.
Higher education, does not necessarily mean smarter, that's for sure. In fact, the periodical "Scientific American" recently published an article on that very subject. It was a most interesting read.
"And who do you suppose was responsible for this progress, this prosperity? Do you think it was the average person? Forget it, it was the scientists, engineers, architects etc."
Show me an engineer, scientist or architect who didn't start out as an "average person". What is an average person anyway? Someone who is not capable of learning?
Show me an engineer, scientist or architect who didn't start out as an "average person". What is an average person anyway? Someone who is not capable of learning?
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Nope, I'm a big boy now, I can read the big words all by myself, lol. I out grew those pop up books you've been stuck on years ago...:lol:
Seems like your Mulroney didn’t do any better besides the provinces are in charge of education.
Speaking about Ontario your Mike the knife Harris took education away from the cities and the education system got worse with the province.
Trudeau is my hero and it’s not ironic.
I do not agree with all his policies but I feel that he did a lot of good for Canada.
1, he's not my "Mulroney". And as I've stated before, he's responsible for much damage to this nation. Unfortunately, not as much as Liberal policy. And though you are correct, that the education system is separate in each province. Here in Ontario, the Liberal Gov't is responsible for the degradation of our school system. Face it LM, Liberal education policies are the reason the schools are failing our children miserably.
True, especially when the Liberals took over...;-)
It most certainly is, considering what you post at times.
Start a thread and I'll prove you wrong...;-)
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I'll agree they haven't helped but totally responsible?
Can't agree with that at all.
I have done quite a bit of volunteering in schools and have seen up close the issues facing all involved, everything from Union silliness to out right abusive behavior from parents. This all under the watchfull eye of cons, libs and the ndp.
I'll agree they haven't helped but totally responsible?
Can't agree with that at all.
I have done quite a bit of volunteering in schools and have seen up close the issues facing all involved, everything from Union silliness to out right abusive behavior from parents. This all under the watchfull eye of cons, libs and the ndp.
I'll concede to that. All parties have dropped the ball. But one of the most glaring detriments to education,is mediocrity, this IMHO stems from several policy shifts, formulated under Liberal and NDP management. As I have agreed, it isn't being redressed by other parties when in office, thus laying the blame at the feet of all parties.
Yes but because it wasn't redressed by the cons doesn't mean that is the only reason they failed.
You so right when it comes to enabling meritocracy. Can't fail, can't lose, can't give out E's anymore, can't fire bad teachers....etc etc etc.
You may find this funny but if you want to know what's really going on in a school talk to the janitor.
Agreed.
Sadly true. This is going to hunt us, as generations of "It's not my fault" children make their way into society.
You know what, I believe you. My youngest has worked with the custodians, as he so sternly points out they prefer to be called, and prides himself on the fact that he's the only kid in his school to have operated the electric floor buffer, lol.
But even him, in all his 14 years of life, has learned things that the average student wouldn't otherwise be privy too, in his role as a custodial assistant, lol.
"Higher education, does not necessarily mean smarter, that's for sure. "- Actually most often the reverse is true, it almost seems as soon as they open a book, half their brain cells disappear. One of the most intelligent peope I knew and worked with for many years has a grade 5 education - not so much in the sense that he knew all his cosines, but just in the way of conducting his life - very methodical and sensible.
Are you saying that the scientists, engineers, architects, etc. are "above average" people? (By the way, what is an "etc.?")
Are you also saying that they're responsible for all the "progress and prosperity" since 1895? If you are, then I beg to differ - society has a lot of different components that make it all function, and if you remove any one of them, you'll have a different picture.
I think there are quite a few exceptions to your "progress and prosperity" rule too. We don't seem to have been able to eradicate wars, poverty, sickness, homelessness, and a few other maladies that continue to afflict us on an everyday basis. On top of all that, we seem to be delegating more and more of our individual thinking to governments and various professionals, on whom we can lay the blame when things don't work quite the way we envisioned. Once the infrastructure for this delegated thinking is in place (e.g., bigger government), we're entrenched in a rather cumbersome system that will continue to disallow or at least discourage individual freedom/movement/thinking to the possible extreme point that we'll end up as unthinking humans, working for the government, or both.
But if you want to call it "progress", feel free. We're all entitled to our opinions.
Average person is somebody who is not acquainted with science or technology. Of the total population, only a small percentage have degrees in science and technology (the percentage was even lower in the old days).
It is the intellectuals who are responsible for coming up with new scientific and technological concepts for the betterment of humankind, and so far they have done a spectacular job.
That is the generally prevalent view in Ontario and Quebec. Sure, he wasn’t perfect, he put the economy into the ditch. But overall, he was the best PM we have ever had, and will be fondly remembered as long as Canada endures.
In USA they talk of founding fathers, it is just a figure of speech. But Trudeau may properly be called the founding father of Canada.