US drones killed 123 civilians, three al-Qaeda men in January

Cliffy

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Here is where it all began.
In 1921, the country of Iraq was created, its first government chosen, and its future determined-not in Baghdad, but at a closed-door meeting of British officials and specialists in the Semiramis Hotel in Cairo. Two pro-British Iraqis were present.

When the British entered Baghdad in 1917, their commanding officer spoke words that sound eerily familiar today: 'Our armies do not come into your cities and lands as conquerors or enemies, but as liberators.' In reality, the British considered such declarations, never formalized in treaties or binding agreements, as empty promises to be discarded when they were no longer useful. As the head of English intelligence put it, 'Luckily we have been very careful indeed to commit ourselves to nothing whatsoever.'

In fact, the creation of Iraq was shaped not by the needs of the Iraqi people or principles of justice and self-determination, but by the interests and ambitions of British imperialism - to help insure British control of the Middle East for its strategic location at the crossroads between Africa, Asia and Europe, and its vast and oil reserves. The British understood that petroleum was the lifeblood of modern empire - a crucial prop of global power and wealth on many levels: an essential economic input impacting production costs, profits, and competitive advantage; an instrument of rivalry whose control ensured leverage over other powers and the world economy; and a resource crucial for the projection of military power globally.
And when the British Empire collapsed, the US was there, ready and willing, to take its place. Now we have an unbroken chain of imperialism in the west with both empires up to their necks in blood. I really hope the Chinese call in your dept and put an end to your reign of terror.
 

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And when the British Empire collapsed, the US was there, ready and willing, to take its place. Now we have an unbroken chain of imperialism in the west with both empires up to their necks in blood. I really hope the Chinese call in your dept and put an end to your reign of terror.

Keep dreaming. The US supports the Chinese economy because we buy everything they make. Every item we use has a China stamp. Call in the debts and you are creating economic suicide. It ain't going to happen.
 

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And when the British Empire collapsed, the US was there, ready and willing, to take its place. Now we have an unbroken chain of imperialism in the west with both empires up to their necks in blood. I really hope the Chinese call in your dept and put an end to your reign of terror.

China can call in our debt anytime they want, but they do not want their economy to collapse if they did. We are their biggest customer. China objected to our honoring the treaty we have with Taiwan (updating their defensive arms inventory), and they do not want us talking to the Dalai Lama, which we probably will do also. Calling in our debt, not even on the table.
 

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Here is where it all began.
No here is where this mess began.

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"The story begins with #1 Edmond, the "Father of Israel". During the Crimean War (which was funded by the Rothschilds) the small Jewish community in Jerusalem became cut off from all outside support. This resulted in "semi-starvation". #1 Edmond’s father, James, set up the James Mayer de Rothschild Hospital in Jerusalem in response to this problem. #1 Edmond picked up his fathers interest in Palestine. When the Russian Jews fled the Czar’s pogroms in the 1880’s Edmond began to finance the Russian Jew’s attempts to establish colonies in Palestine, It is clear that #1 Edmond was a fan of Zionism, his charities were not only aiding the persecuted but were promoting the concept of a return the "homeland". "The Baron’s money drained swamps, dug wells and built houses. It founded industries ranging from scent factories to glass works, form wine cellars to bottle manufacturers. The Baron established his own administration in Palestine and his overseers dictated to the farmers exactly what crops were to be grown and where." The man who set up the first Zionist Congress was Theodor Herzl. He attempted to get the support for his plans to "restore the Jewish state" from the Rothschilds but many members of the family were opposed to Zionism (the Rothschilds supported those causes which they could profit from and the Integration of Jews into the European culture was profitable for them. One Rothschild told Herzl he was an Englishman and proposed to remain one. #1 Edmond on the other hand. was leading a Rothschild plan similar to Herzl’s that slowly created a Jewish state controlled by the family). #1 Edmond did not oppose Zionism, in fact he supported Herzl’s cause, yet he felt Herzl’s plans should not be implemented so soon (they were "to be accomplished quietly, stealthily, not by shouting from the roof-tops"), plus he was concerned that Herzl would take away too much Rothschild power over the slowly forming Jewish state. The Baron continued to support his own colonies and though Herzl was socially supported, because his Ideas facilitated Rothschild power in Palestine, he was not allowed to implement his plans. #1 Edmond did not want Herzl in control. Later, after Herzl had died and was no longer a threat, #1 Edmond "admitted" that Herzl had been right, and went right on pouring money into the Jewish "Homeland". #1 Edmond had a tight-fisted control of the colonies. ,,... the Baron was a dictator who expected the colonists to obey him unquestionably." In 1901 the Jews in Palestine sent a delegation to the Baron who told him ,,... if you wish to save the Yishuv [the -83 Jewish settlement] first take your hands from It, and ... for once permit the colonists to have the possibility of correcting for themselves whatever needs correcting ..." This upset the Baron. He replied: "I created the Yishuv, I alone. Therefore no men, neither colonists nor organizations, have the right to interfere in my plans." Herzl was succeeded as President of World Zionism by David Wolffsohn. Wolffsohn got the full support of the Baron. Wolffsohn’s successor was Otto Warburg. "
The Rothschild Bloodline
 

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Keep dreaming. The US supports the Chinese economy because we buy everything they make. Every item we use has a China stamp. Call in the debts and you are creating economic suicide. It ain't going to happen.
Yes, I realize that but hope springs eternal.
 

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How about the children who die on days that isn't your birthday, do you feel the same about them??
Actually, she does. She fires off an awful lot of missives to people she thinks might listen about a lot of things concerning kids. And the ones that die because of adult stupidity get her most upset. Natural disasters are bad enough but they can't be prevented. I doubt there's anyone on the planet that loves kids more than Anna.
So, how about thinking before you say stupid things like that? You see, I think part of it's because kids have the job of learning, so there is no stupid question for them. A lot of adults, on the other hand, can ask really stupid questions, as you've just shown.
 

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Keep dreaming. The US supports the Chinese economy because we buy everything they make. Every item we use has a China stamp. Call in the debts and you are creating economic suicide. It ain't going to happen.
Everything? Nobody else buys from the cheapest supplier in the world? No Pesoramas in Panama City or Rublerama in St. Petersbourg? Where do the 1.2 billion Chinese shop?
 

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Standard answer given to try and justify the targeting and killing of innocents.



and this is different how?



Oh ya....BIG difference:roll:......... unless, of course, if you're the one getting killed or the f
amily and friends of the one killed. I doubt they diferentiate and say: " It's OK, they were killed by the coalition".

What are we will try and do is do the old one shot on kill thing. Very effective and few if any coaterial damage,using .3006 500 yards ti start.
 

Cliffy

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The Cato Institute.




A libertarian think tank, highly respected both inside and outside the beltway. Careful ... frequent visits to this website can cause you to start thinking about such things as freedom, economic liberty and individual responsibility.

Not sure what this has to do with my post.
From an anarchist point of view CATO is just another mind prison, selling the status quo as if it had anything to do with reality.
 

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Not sure what this has to do with my post.
From an anarchist point of view CATO is just another mind prison, selling the status quo as if it had anything to do with reality.

ahhhh....sorry.....but by definition........ the status quo IS reality......8O
 

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Keep dreaming. The US supports the Chinese economy because we buy everything they make. Every item we use has a China stamp. Call in the debts and you are creating economic suicide. It ain't going to happen.

You almost seem proud of this.

Explain how it would be economic suicide for China.
 
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EagleSmack

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Everything? Nobody else buys from the cheapest supplier in the world? No Pesoramas in Panama City or Rublerama in St. Petersbourg? Where do the 1.2 billion Chinese shop?

Oh I am sure other folks from other countries buy Chinese goods but not even close to the scale of what US Consumers buy.