No More Jesus Rifles

[darkbeaver]

"War crimes" are really an invention of the 20th century, in past wars rape, plunder and pillage were the norm. The treatment of non combatants and prisoners, rules of engagement and such only became a concern in the last few generations.

my opinion
War was always considered the greatest of crimes sure codification of law concerning war crimes have been developed in the last century but there are many fine books written ages ago. Rape, burn, plunder and murder are still the only methods of warfare, there has been no diminishment despite the stories we tell each other about our civilized state. Bagram, Gitmo, Abu-Grahab and the hundreds we know nothing about, the rules of engagement remain the same there effect has been magnified by modern tools. Torture is now an official legal tool of the west.
thankyou for listening, I might be wrong, but

 

[lone wolf]

Well, to put it kindly Jesus doesn't have a speech impediment nor is He ignorant of just what the Law states. (probably some sort of requirement for being a High Priest), Nor was He shy about saying what rewards false Christians would receive.


Go ahead show me the difference.

More from the Book of Legend? Do you believe the local gossip mill too?

 

[petros]

I havent seen a single video of someone saying "heres one from Jesus" but all the taliban vids you can hear Allah Akhbar yelled before the shot.
Go check it out yourself.

 

[petros]

Any Taliban caught in a Canadian sniper's sight is about to "go and sin no more", saying it would be redundent.

And this is why every sniper and his drugged out drunken comrades my s.lut sister in law has dragged home is a pathetic waste case.

 

[MHz]

"War crimes" are really an invention of the 20th century, in past wars rape, plunder and pillage were the norm. The treatment of non combatants and prisoners, rules of engagement and such only became a concern in the last few generations.

Even going only back to 1950 is far enough back to make what Colpy suggest inaccurate and illegal. Accusation would be proved in court, that happens every day in the civilized Western world. I'm sure everybody would wish for immunity from all criminal charges but it doesn't happen, do the crime do the time the how it works (in theory)

Hitlers blitzkrieg is frowned on, change the name to pre-emptive strike and it become quite acceptable if certain Nations use it. Only certain Nations.

 

[MHz]

And this is why every sniper and his drugged out drunken comrades my s.lut sister in law has dragged home is a pathetic waste case.

Should have taken him big-game hunting or give him a PC with some 1st person shooters and broadband and then you only have to throw him some food every now and then.

 

[AnnaG]

"Trijicon has proudly served the U.S. military for more than two decades, and our decision to offer to voluntarily remove these references is both prudent and appropriate," said Stephen Bindon, Trijicon president and CEO in a statement. "We want to thank the Department of Defense for the opportunity to work with them and will move as quickly as possible to provide the modification kits for deployment overseas."

It was inappropriate and imprudent to put Biblical verses on them to begin with. Although Christianity has utilized war itself, that was because of the people not the religion and the religion itself should be non-combative according to its tenets. But, people being people, we will twist anything, be it politics, religion, emotion, media, etc. to serve our own purposes.

 

[petros]

Should have taken him big-game hunting or give him a PC with some 1st person shooters and broadband and then you only have to throw him some food every now and then.

Him? She's gone through about 10 of them not including three she married. Now she hooked up with some guy from Shiloh. I'm looking forward to the day he finds out she's had gunnery long before he enter the services.

 

[AnnaG]

That makes me sad. I think those kids should be shown photos of other kids that were blown to bits because of items like those shells. And the people that allowed those kids to do what they were doing should be stuck in crossfire.

 

[bobnoorduyn]

Wow... who the hell can read the bible and think for one second that Christ would want to be associated with an instrument of death?

I don't know, and unfortunately I'm not at home and don't have any reference material at hand. But didn't they carry swords? Who was it, Paul or Peter, who sliced off the ear of one of the soldiers that came to arrest Jesus? There are a lot of interpretations of the scriptures but the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership have found many references in the OT that say it is your duty to defend yourself, your family, and those under your care with deadly force if necessary. Not only that, but the JPFO beleve it is deemed sinful to not do so. The Jews believed in pacifism prior to WWII, and that didn't work out so well for them.

Love thine enemy as thy self does not mean submit to his will. I would believe it to mean to not be malicious. If you are a combatant your job is to immobilize your enemy, if that means killing him, so be it. If he is only injured you treat him with the same care you would your own comrades, (just don't give him his gun back). Prisoners are to be treated with respect, they are only doing the same job you are, just for a different side. That would be how things work in as much of an ideal world as we could expect.

It takes a minimum of two sides to make war, one is an aggressor, one is a defender, determining who is on which side sometimes becomes blurred, but that determination will come in future history books.

 

[petros]

That makes me sad. I think those kids should be shown photos of other kids that were blown to bits because of items like those shells. And the people that allowed those kids to do what they were doing should be stuck in crossfire.

That's the IDF for ya.

 

[AnnaG]

That's the IDF for ya.

Yeah. Unfortunately, not the only peoples to do things like that.

 

[MHz]

But, people being people, we will twist anything, be it politics, religion, emotion, media, etc. to serve our own purposes.

Are you just saying this because it serves your purpose?

 

[AnnaG]

I don't know, and unfortunately I'm not at home and don't have any reference material at hand. But didn't they carry swords? Who was it, Paul or Peter, who sliced off the ear of one of the soldiers that came to arrest Jesus? There are a lot of interpretations of the scriptures but the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership have found many references in the OT that say it is your duty to defend yourself, your family, and those under your care with deadly force if necessary. Not only that, but the JPFO beleve it is deemed sinful to not do so. The Jews believed in pacifism prior to WWII, and that didn't work out so well for them.

Although Christianity has utilized war itself, that was because of the people not the religion and the religion itself should be non-combative according to its tenets. But, people being people, we will twist anything, be it politics, religion, emotion, media, etc. to serve our own purposes.

BTW, what is written in the OT is quite different from what is written in the NT and Christians should be more attentive to the NT.

 

[AnnaG]

Are you just saying this because it serves your purpose?

DUH! If it didn't serve my purpose, I wouldn't say it. If your intention was to ask if I meant it, I'd say "yes".
Would you like to get back to the topic now?

 

[bobnoorduyn]

Hitlers blitzkrieg is frowned on, change the name to pre-emptive strike and it become quite acceptable if certain Nations use it. Only certain Nations.

It was an act of war, the same sort of thing done by invaders for centuries, but only on a much grander scale. It was acceptable by the Germans at the time. But one also has to remember, they were also the agressors, not the defenders.

 

[lone wolf]

That makes me sad. I think those kids should be shown photos of other kids that were blown to bits because of items like those shells. And the people that allowed those kids to do what they were doing should be stuck in crossfire.

Agreed....

If it's any consolation, those shells aren't really designed to kill - just locate for the kill. Light green cap indicates a smoke round.

I wonder if they'd be allowed near the yellow ones?

 

[petros]

It was an act of war, the same sort of thing done by invaders for centuries, but only on a much grander scale. It was acceptable by the Germans at the time. But one also has to remember, they were also the agressors, not the defenders.

I read the minutes of a speech a Chinese general made some 8 years ago in which he mentioned China needing more "living space".

 

[MHz]

But didn't they carry swords? Who was it, Paul or Peter, who sliced off the ear of one of the soldiers that came to arrest Jesus?

Jesus also told him to put the sword away, wonder if He also healed the ear before being led away?

Love thine enemy as thy self does not mean submit to his will. I would believe it to mean to not be malicious. If you are a combatant your job is to immobilize your enemy, if that means killing him, so be it. If he is only injured you treat him with the same care you would your own comrades, (just don't give him his gun back). Prisoners are to be treated with respect, they are only doing the same job you are, just for a different side. That would be how things work in as much of an ideal world as we could expect.

The sword that was the defense against evil was left to the Governments of the Nations. Christian were given the task of staying within the laws of the Nations,as well as Jesus's Laws. That means the Church is subject to the sword, she should not be directing the direction the sword takes (determine what is evil)[/quote]

It takes a minimum of two sides to make war, one is an aggressor, one is a defender, determining who is on which side sometimes becomes blurred, but that determination will come in future history booksquo.

With history being written by the winner. lol

 

[MHz]

I read the minutes of a speech a Chinese general made some 8 years ago in which he mentioned China needing more "living space".

OMG, OMG the Gobi Desert is in danger of invasion by ...... people.