Chavez says U.S. occupying Haiti in name of aid

darkbeaver

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I am just wondering about the US-Canadian Alliance to unsurp Haiti that you mentioned. You know, how Canadians and Americans conspired to keep Haiti under our boot and all that jazz.

The reason Hati is butt poor is western developement, us Canadians have been and continue to be right there with the worst screwing the life out of that country.
 

lone wolf

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I am just wondering about the US-Canadian Alliance to unsurp Haiti that you mentioned. You know, how Canadians and Americans conspired to keep Haiti under our boot and all that jazz.

I wonder who we are really helping by sending billions of dollars in aid. It seems to me that most of it stays in just a few hands and what does get through creates dependency. Maybe, when the dust finally settles, Haitians would be better served if instead of giving them fish, they learned how to fish - fish being a clichéd analogy
 

MHz

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Billions?
Don't know if you have noticed but becoming truly independent from foreign influence is not always looked upon as a good thing. That applies to our own Country also.
 

MHz

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Who is truly independent from foreign influence?
Just checked with the CIA ...... nobody is free from the bankers. This is how much we (the World) owe them (10 richest banks in the world) that amount has to be added to the amount they already have in their coffers that belongs just to them. lol

$60.96 trillion (31 December 2008 est.)
$60.26 trillion (31 December 2007 est.)
note: this figure is the sum total of all countries' external debt, both public and private
 

missile

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I find disturbing the fact that a local tourist agency is bragging that tourism is still up in the neighbouring Dominican Republic,while she commented om Haiti.
 

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I asked this once, why is the term looting still being used, at what point does scavenging become a legal way to survive.

Its looting when armed thugs take goods from a shopowner trying to protect his goods. Saw it on the news.
 

#juan

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Since you perceive yourself an expert, why don't you head down there and rebuild the country?

Risus

Have you ever seen a modern concrete building demolished? If you had you would know that there would be rebar all over the place. If you look at the photos of the collapsed buildings, all you see is broken and fallen cinder blocks and plaster. You don't see a lot of rebar sticking out of the rubble. I'm guessing we don't see rebar because it wasn't there.
 

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Risus

Have you ever seen a modern concrete building demolished? If you had you would know that there would be rebar all over the place. If you look at the photos of the collapsed buildings, all you see is broken and fallen cinder blocks and plaster. You don't see a lot of rebar sticking out of the rubble. I'm guessing we don't see rebar because it wasn't there.

Very good Juan.
 

lone wolf

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Adobe (the brick) is still common in Haiti. If not for its stucco covering, rain eats that. Window openings can be cut with a machete. I can't imagine it behaves well when the world shakes.
 

#juan

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Adobe (the brick) is still common in Haiti. If not for its stucco covering, rain eats that. Window openings can be cut with a machete. I can't imagine it behaves well when the world shakes.

Hi Eagle, lone wolf

Looking at the photos of Port au Prince before the quake, it looks like a charming, tropical paradise. It was really a disaster waiting to happen. When I was still working I cursed the bureaucracy that forced us to put up with building inspectors and the seeming endless requirement for permits for this and that but a 7.0 quake would not bring our modern buildings down.
 

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Hi Eagle, lone wolf

Looking at the photos of Port au Prince before the quake, it looks like a charming, tropical paradise. It was really a disaster waiting to happen. When I was still working I cursed the bureaucracy that forced us to put up with building inspectors and the seeming endless requirement for permits for this and that but a 7.0 quake would not bring our modern buildings down.

I was reading a forum on structural engineering, and the posters there (who are pretty much all structural engineers) commented on the almost-complete lack of rebar in the pictures...very little reinforcing of any kind, typical of poor countries.
 

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I'm kind of wondering how anyone is screwing Haiti. 65 to 70% of its GDP is from other countries donating to it. Look at their hierarchy if you want to find out who was screwing the Haitians. I think something like $50 million went to Haiti from Canada last year.

http://www.international.gc.ca/start-gtsr/haiti-progress-progres-haiti.aspx

I'm wondering what kind of return these people think North Americans expecting from Haiti?
 

EagleSmack

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I'm kind of wondering how anyone is screwing Haiti. 65 to 70% of its GDP is from other countries donating to it. Look at their hierarchy if you want to find out who was screwing the Haitians.

Well perhaps you didn't know...the US and Canada has been screwing them because...

because...

Ummm...