Feds green light naked scanners

[justinmb]

The question I pose is this What is the next step in airline security when this is proven ineffective which it will in time.

Yes it is our choice to fly and if one deems it worth the hassle they will regardless of the security checks. but what happens when they impose curfew on the entire country or random door to door checks if you think this will not happen then you are deluded because if we allow ourselves to become so scared that we give up all our freedoms to feel safe and then wake up one day to find we are scared of our selves then what?

obviously this is hypothetical but it is a possibility it has happened to nations in the past and those who forget the past well you know the rest.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I dont see why you would need the metal detector if you have the scanner.

Well, we will find out. I doubt that Toronto, Cairo or Amman will have installed them so quickly, we are flying next Thursday. But I am flying to Manchester in August, I will let you know.

 

[Kakato]

Well, we will find out. I doubt that Toronto, Cairo or Amman will have installed them so quickly, we are flying next Thursday. But I am flying to Manchester in August, I will let you know.

Heres a little primer on how to beat airport security and put the fun back in flying.:lol:

YouTube - Chopper Read Parody - Airport Security

 

[SirJosephPorter]

The question I pose is this What is the next step in airline security when this is proven ineffective which it will in time.

Yes it is our choice to fly and if one deems it worth the hassle they will regardless of the security checks. but what happens when they impose curfew on the entire country or random door to door checks if you think this will not happen then you are deluded because if we allow ourselves to become so scared that we give up all our freedoms to feel safe and then wake up one day to find we are scared of our selves then what?

obviously this is hypothetical but it is a possibility it has happened to nations in the past and those who forget the past well you know the rest.

You don’t know that it will prove to be ineffective. I think chances are it will prove effective, like the decision to keep the liquids out. That has effectively closed one door for the terrorists.

So it wouldn’t’ surprise me if this security check closed more doors for terrorists. And I fail to see how you jump from airport security check to random door to door searches or curfew on the entire country. That is total nonsense.

 

[darkbeaver]

Yeah right. Like the woman who works at the grocery store walking through the park with her 9 month old in the stroller.
Lay off the pot, Beav. You can't think clearly.

The problem Annag is that you think too much and read too little. You certainly believe that a missile should care about mom and the little nipper. Terrorism is a very effective method of hurting the enemy, actually killing his hatchlings right in the nest is a time honoured proceedure of terrorists all over the world. Starving the front by strangling the rear, glorious isn't it?

 

[darkbeaver]

The question I pose is this What is the next step in airline security when this is proven ineffective which it will in time.

Yes it is our choice to fly and if one deems it worth the hassle they will regardless of the security checks. but what happens when they impose curfew on the entire country or random door to door checks if you think this will not happen then you are deluded because if we allow ourselves to become so scared that we give up all our freedoms to feel safe and then wake up one day to find we are scared of our selves then what?

obviously this is hypothetical but it is a possibility it has happened to nations in the past and those who forget the past well you know the rest.

It's already in practice with hostile cargos. Hoods, ear plugs, arms tied behind the back and stacked face down, just like the luggage.

 

[justinmb]

I do not think it is nonsens if you asked someone prior to 9/11 if there would be a scanner in the airport that could see through cloths they would have thought you a bit out there but it is now a reality, and how I get from scanners to door to door search is easy when they find another way to blow up or crash a plane which they will what is the next step in security of this country next they will have to make sure you clear an application to fly we will no longer have the option they will decide for us.

My point all along has been that the scanners are just another small step in road to complete pervasiveness into our everyday lives and how the average person either does not realize or care about it or they are willing to pay the price for safety from a perceived threat that may not exist . Like I said get ready to have armed check points and have your papers ready

It is typical of ostrich to shove their head in the sand and pretend that will make things all better but as we all know it does not.

 

[AnnaG]

Flight 103 was some time ago and I am all for trying to prevent unnecessary deaths but by that argument plans/cars/trains ect.. crash and kill people more often then terrorist bombings so should we all walk everywhere to prevent it all happening.

?? What a dumb comment. Of course not. We should attempt to fix the problem. If my bike gets a flat, I don't give up and walk. I fix the flat and am more cautious about where my tires go.:roll:

if the scanner simply sped things up which it wont I would be all for it just so I could stand in line less but people are not seeing the big picture here it is not just about a scanner it is every time something happens they implement/force something new on us and then the terrorist do something new, none of it helps.

BS. Otherwise they'd allow us to tote firearms on board flights.

They could easily bomb a school/day care an arena ect.. hell I am surprised they have not infiltrated the Winnipeg disease center and stole some good bugs to let loose we have some of the best in the world right here and security is not that tight. and trust me when I tell you they are probably already here thinking of these exact things and no scanner will stop them.

Perhaps not, but closer inspections of different types might stop them. Notice no-one's tried bombing British subways again?

My point is if it helps you sleep at night then great but it is a false sense of security to think this scanner will solve any problems

I can't see how you can say with that with any amount of certainty. Especially since they've not been used for very long.

and I have said it before the US new about this guy and did nothing that is not our fault.

It's America's society that's at fault for that.

 

[justinmb]

?? What a dumb comment. Of course not. We should attempt to fix the problem. If my bike gets a flat, I don't give up and walk. I fix the flat and am more cautious about where my tires go.:roll:

BS. Otherwise they'd allow us to tote firearms on board flights. Perhaps not, but closer inspections of different types might stop them. Notice no-one's tried bombing British subways again?

I can't see how you can say with that with any amount of certainty. Especially since they've not been used for very long.It's America's society that's at fault for that.

my point was we can try to fix all the problems but there will always be accidents but we do not stop flying or driving or riding a train yet we also have not made a massive hassel to do either of the latter 2 even though they are both just as susceptible to terrorists use we move on and enjoy our lives there have been more cars/vans used in bombing than planes.

They could not trust us all with guns we might high jack the plane

not yet anyways

it might solve some but they will adapt and that I am certain of

we agree on at least 1 thing LOL

 

[AnnaG]

The question I pose is this What is the next step in airline security when this is proven ineffective which it will in time.

How do you know it'll prove ineffective? It seems to me that you expect us to accept your opinion as fact. Sorry. The scanners haven't been tested on regular airport traffic, so it's ridiculously premature to say they aren't effective.

Yes it is our choice to fly and if one deems it worth the hassle they will regardless of the security checks. but what happens when they impose curfew on the entire country or random door to door checks if you think this will not happen then you are deluded because if we allow ourselves to become so scared that we give up all our freedoms to feel safe and then wake up one day to find we are scared of our selves then what?

WOW An alarmist. Cool. Big brother is gonna get you. He's hiding in your closet and stealing your soul little by little as you sleep.

obviously this is hypothetical but it is a possibility it has happened to nations in the past and those who forget the past well you know the rest.

I'm more concerned about Canada spending 75% of its annual budget on healthcare because we don't take care of ourselves very well than I am concerned about some big brother scoping my tatas for a couple seconds. When they talk about moving a scanner into my house then I'll be concerned about it.

 

[AnnaG]

The problem Annag is that you think too much and read too little. You certainly believe that a missile should care about mom and the little nipper. Terrorism is a very effective method of hurting the enemy, actually killing his hatchlings right in the nest is a time honoured proceedure of terrorists all over the world. Starving the front by strangling the rear, glorious isn't it?

WTF are you talking about? You said there are no innocent civilians. You're wrong. Have another toke, Beav.

 

[AnnaG]

I do not think it is nonsens if you asked someone prior to 9/11 if there would be a scanner in the airport that could see through cloths they would have thought you a bit out there but it is now a reality, and how I get from scanners to door to door search is easy when they find another way to blow up or crash a plane which they will what is the next step in security of this country next they will have to make sure you clear an application to fly we will no longer have the option they will decide for us.

My point all along has been that the scanners are just another small step in road to complete pervasiveness into our everyday lives and how the average person either does not realize or care about it or they are willing to pay the price for safety from a perceived threat that may not exist . Like I said get ready to have armed check points and have your papers ready

It is typical of ostrich to shove their head in the sand and pretend that will make things all better but as we all know it does not.

And then after you've made sure that that the concept of big brother can't happen, you'll start looking out for nasty extraterrestrials, right?

 

[justinmb]

You Haven't seen them?
remember the truth is out there. LOL

Just cause it sounds crazy doesn't make it not true

 

[JLM]

I guess if I was you, then, I'd be scared of someone seeing my peepee.

Hey it takes all kinds eh? I bet all the shrinks in the country are just rubbing their hands.

 

[JLM]

I think the handwriting is on the wall. Flying for common folks will soon be a thing of the past, it will just be a "luxury" for the very rich in the forseealbe future. It's the short flights where the airlines make their money, and it's going to be the short flights that are most affected as a 2 or 3 hour drive will be less hassel than flying.

 

[JLM]

Do you count yourself among the wingnuts, JLM? anyway ,were you down on me hard when I first used the word 'wingnut' in these forums? I remember some were, I just don't recall if you were one of them.

Me a wingnut???????? Never :lol::lol::lol: I well could have been although I don't specifcially remember the occasion. I'd more likely be down on you for things like being stubborn and not seeing the other fellow's point of view, but it's a possibility you and I could well agree on wingnuts or not. Who knows about guys who believes in statistics? :lol: :lol:

 

[AnnaG]

I think the handwriting is on the wall. Flying for common folks will soon be a thing of the past, it will just be a "luxury" for the very rich in the forseealbe future. It's the short flights where the airlines make their money, and it's going to be the short flights that are most affected as a 2 or 3 hour drive will be less hassel than flying.

I'd much rather we develop a decent railway system again. I like going places by rail. And if we ever get our craftsmanship together, we could have really speedy ones like Japan does.

 

[AnnaG]

You Haven't seen them?
remember the truth is out there. LOL

Just cause it sounds crazy doesn't make it not true

No, I haven't seen any. But, if/when I do, I won't leap to the conclusion that I need protection from them. I'll just be cautious. Maybe I'll have a scanner that shows whether they are aggressive or not by then.

 

[justinmb]

I agree trains are great I would be all for that, I think bombardier makes them for Japan. My wife is a civil engineer with a masters in railway design from Germany she has been trying to get on with CP/CN since her degree was recognized last year with little luck, so we may move soon either way she intends to help revamp our rail system although I am sure it is riddled with politics like all other things

 

[AnnaG]

Anyway, governments have tried pushing people too far and as far as I know, people take so much and then turn and do an ugly on the gov't. Sometimes it is bloody, sometimes not. Taking out old scanners and putting these newfangled scanners in is just progress, IMO. Not a big deal.