Feds green light naked scanners

[jsiooa]

forget invasion of privacy. this isn't even effective, like i said, it can't detect low-density materials. besides, a creative terrorist will always find ways to get around this. you see examples in prisons where security guards have more invasive searches , yet inmates still find ways for contraband to be smuggled into the system.

 

[Kakato]

I guess if I was you, then, I'd be scared of someone seeing my peepee.

Must be hung like a horsefly!:lol:

 

[Kakato]

forget invasion of privacy. this isn't even effective, like i said, it can't detect low-density materials. besides, a creative terrorist will always find ways to get around this. you see examples in prisons where security guards have more invasive searches , yet inmates still find ways for contraband to be smuggled into the system.

Not guns or explosives.

 

[AnnaG]

forget invasion of privacy. this isn't even effective, like i said, it can't detect low-density materials. besides, a creative terrorist will always find ways to get around this. you see examples in prisons where security guards have more invasive searches , yet inmates still find ways for contraband to be smuggled into the system.

So we should just save our dough and let them do whatever. I see what you are getting at. You wouldn't be a relative of Yassir Arafat or Bin Laden, would you?

 

[AnnaG]

Must be hung like a horsefly!:lol:

lol Blackfly?

 

[justinmb]

Suppose Heathrow had better checks when PanAm flight 103 was ready to take off? Some folks in Lockerbie Scotland might be alive today. My point? It is not just about protecting your own people; it's also about protecting the people on the flight and in other countries.

Flight 103 was some time ago and I am all for trying to prevent unnecessary deaths but by that argument plans/cars/trains ect.. crash and kill people more often then terrorist bombings so should we all walk everywhere to prevent it all happening.

if the scanner simply sped things up which it wont I would be all for it just so I could stand in line less but people are not seeing the big picture here it is not just about a scanner it is every time something happens they implement/force something new on us and then the terrorist do something new, none of it helps. They could easily bomb a school/day care an arena ect.. hell I am surprised they have not infiltrated the Winnipeg disease center and stole some good bugs to let loose we have some of the best in the world right here and security is not that tight. and trust me when I tell you they are probably already here thinking of these exact things and no scanner will stop them.

My point is if it helps you sleep at night then great but it is a false sense of security to think this scanner will solve any problems and I have said it before the US new about this guy and did nothing that is not our fault.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Who's scared?
I'm not and I used to fly about 50,000 miles a year.
It's no skin off my nads if I have to walk through a scanner and unlike you who thinks everyone is as paranoid as yourself,most other people arent scared.

Try again.

Quite so, kakato. I don’t know how useful this technique would be, but it can’t do any harm. It is relatively quick (the alternative, strip search everyone is much more intrusive and much slower) and I can see it detecting explosives etc. at least in some cases.

That is good enough for me. I really don’t see where invasion of privacy etc. comes in. Nobody is forcing people to travel by plane, people choose on their own to do so. When people decide to travel by plane, they must be willing to put up with some inconvenience, some invasion of privacy (if there is any). I don’t see any big deal here.

 

[Kakato]

Quite so, kakato. I don’t know how useful this technique would be, but it can’t do any harm. It is relatively quick (the alternative, strip search everyone is much more intrusive and much slower) and I can see it detecting explosives etc. at least in some cases.

That is good enough for me. I really don’t see where invasion of privacy etc. comes in. Nobody is forcing people to travel by plane, people choose on their own to do so. When people decide to travel by plane, they must be willing to put up with some inconvenience, some invasion of privacy (if there is any). I don’t see any big deal here.

Those ionizers they use when they swab you or anything your carrying will detect any explosive residue amongst other things.That only takes 20 seconds a test.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

You got it exactly right Bob, it's a shame that about 75% of the discussion on the forum has to be generated by 3 or 4 wingnuts.

Do you count yourself among the wingnuts, JLM? anyway ,were you down on me hard when I first used the word 'wingnut' in these forums? I remember some were, I just don't recall if you were one of them.

 

[jsiooa]

Must be hung like a horse

ya.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

you're very fearful. any citizen who approves of these scanners is fearful. you're consistent lying to yourself isn't healthy.

There is nothing fearful about it, it only makes sense to take proper precautions.

 

[jsiooa]

Quite so, kakato. I don’t know how useful this technique would be, but it can’t do any harm. It is relatively quick (the alternative, strip search everyone is much more intrusive and much slower) and I can see it detecting explosives etc. at least in some cases.

That is good enough for me. I really don’t see where invasion of privacy etc. comes in. Nobody is forcing people to travel by plane, people choose on their own to do so. When people decide to travel by plane, they must be willing to put up with some inconvenience, some invasion of privacy (if there is any). I don’t see any big deal here.

spoken like a true brainwashed government peasant, :lol:

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I think it will be faster then the wand sweep and a guy will get through security a lot quicker.
I used to hate getting behind people with body piercings allthough it was kind of comical at first if you know what I mean.:smile:

Would this be in place of wand sweep or would it be in addition to that? I assume this will be an extra step we would have to go through, in addition to all the security checks we are subjected to at present.

 

[Tonington]

Not really, using your aircraft, or whatever, as a battering ram to protect your country from invasion by identified combatants is quite a bit different than blowing up innocent civilians for no apparent reason. There was a declared war between nations going on at the time and military targets are fair game, I fail to see how commercial airliners and office buildings fit that bill. These guys aren't defending anything and are going up against defenseless targets, cowards.

(emphasis mine)

Here's your problem, you think there is no reason. How do you know that a suicide bomber didn't have a brother killed in combat with foreign troops? How do you know he isn't doing this to force a population oversees to lose their stomach for war and bring their troops home, from his country?

How do you know these things? Why do you think there are so many willing to sacrifice their life for "no apparent reason"? It seems to me you haven't thought very hard if you can't formulate even a single reason why someone might do this.

Propaganda exists on both sides...cripes people. This isn't brain surgery. What you see as legit and what they see as legit depends on perspective, which apparently many people have problems understanding.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

spoken like a true brainwashed government peasant, :lol:

Well now, if you don't like it, nobody is forcing you to fly, are they? You are perfectly free to give up flying, if you don't want to be subject to security checks.

In fact we are flying next week. We are flying Toronto to Cairo to Amman to Toronto (with two internal flights in Egypt, to and from Luxor).

When we return, I will describe how the security precautions are these days.

 

[Kakato]

Would this be in place of wand sweep or would it be in addition to that? I assume this will be an extra step we would have to go through, in addition to all the security checks we are subjected to at present.

They have been doing it for years,they just run a peice of cloth over your laptop,beltbuckle,anything that a residue will stick to and they put it in the ionizer and it sniffs out whats on it.They do it at prisons to when you go there,i worked at a medium security this spring and we got swabbed every day when we went in for our security passes.

Our blaster up north used to have a hell of a time getting to work as they would set off the bells everytime at the airports.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

When I work up north I go through 11 airports the first day so bring on the scanners!
No more long lineups at security!
No more missed connections!


I'm starting to like the idea more and more.

Again, are you sure that this is in place of (and not in addition to) the current security checks?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

it's a complete invasion of privacy. they're basically saying to you, walk through this scanner naked , oh but you can put a bag over your head. (the heads are blurred). genitalia, breasts, surgical implants and cosmic enhancements are all shown vividly.

religious people whose beliefs prohibit themselves from being seeing naked by people they do not know are considering not flying at all.


add that to the fact that no terrorist attack has happened on U.S soil since 2001, and even rarer in Canada...

Those who don't want to go through the scanner do have the option of choosing the old fashioned frisking, pat down instead.

 

[Kakato]

Again, are you sure that this is in place of (and not in addition to) the current security checks?

I dont see why you would need the metal detector if you have the scanner.

 

[jsiooa]

When we return, I will describe how the security precautions are these days.

i await this report anxiously