Demjanjuk and Sobibor

[darkbeaver]

Wow your taking it to the extreme with those comparisons. Do we add the leaders of Hesbollah, el Fatah & most Arab your above notes to balance the reality.

It's would only be considered extreme if the history, both of the past and most recent, is correct as presented.History as presented is most certainly not correct. This is the debate afterall. We will add whomever has been charged with war crimes, as yet none of your suggestions has been. Why does reality require externally applied balance?

 

[weaselwords]

Fine take the words "no winner" as concillatory & out of context with the rest of the quote see the world as you may, for me its humanity's loss as a whole when genocide happens, in whatever form it happens to take, and yes here I leave myself wide open to the Israeli treatment of Palestinians & by the same token the indescriminate firing of rockets by those same Palestinians.

 

[darkbeaver]

That's another topic on the same subject. If ALL parties were to aim their weapons one degree west of straight up (five if there is a breeze) and fire them all at once, resolution might be at hand.

That's very true and it's why the winners make sure it never happens. That's how they remain the permanent winners. Resolution to the problem frightens them like nothing else. War is our economy.

 

[darkbeaver]

Fine take the words "no winner" as concillatory & out of context with the rest of the quote see the world as you may, for me its humanity's loss as a whole when genocide happens, in whatever form it happens to take, and yes here I leave myself wide open to the Israeli treatment of Palestinians & by the same token the indescriminate firing of rockets by those same Palestinians.

What fraction of humanity is humane? Only that fraction understands the fatal short cut of genocide in the realization of national asperations. The rest wallow in it, it is their daily bread.

 

[weaselwords]

What fraction of humanity is humane? Only that fraction understands the fatal short cut of genocide in the realization of national asperations. The rest wallow in it, it is their daily bread.

We have a winner.

 

[darkbeaver]

Thankyou. Better luck next time.

 

[weaselwords]

Thankyou. Better luck next time.

Reread your comment it looked as though it was reinterating my position. I was under the impression you came to my point of view, as far global genocide goes & I was giving you an "atta boy"

 

[darkbeaver]

Thankyou, Better luck next time making me understand. I have been/am thick at times due to a horrible nuclear explosion in the lab some time ago.:smile:

 

[weaselwords]

Its the venacular I use & my tendency to obscure definitive meanings {a learned thing from some very poor bosses)

 

[Goober]

That's another topic on the same subject. If ALL parties were to aim their weapons one degree west of straight up (five if there is a breeze) and fire them all at once, resolution might be at hand.

Lone Wolf

I heard from a friend of mine that the Aryan Nation in Calgary has started recruiting again.

As you can see from their newest member they are going back to there roots and starting all over again - They state that their program will evolve with time.

 

[darkbeaver]

Its the venacular I use & my tendency to obscure definitive meanings {a learned thing from some very poor bosses)

I'm self taught. I never learned anything from anybody. Their advice was wasted in it's entirety.

 

[darkbeaver]

Unfortunately, man is a territorial creature. Until we learn the value in a healthy dose of forgiveness, nothing will ever change

So that's why we piss in the back yard?

 

[einmensch]

[SIZE=+2]The "Ugly German"[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Research has shown that if you ask young children to find a synonym for "German", almost all of them will define Germans as "Nazis"! A world-wide industry of Holocaust Enforcers is kept busy grinding out round-the-clock demonization of Germans!
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No other people's and nation's honor and reputation have ever been so relentlessly and viciously destroyed and demonized. [/SIZE]​

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[SIZE=+1]Who benefits from such unceasing vilification?[/SIZE]

 

[lone wolf]

If you read your own posts you'd see why.....


Neat toonz! Thanks!

 

[EagleSmack]

If you read your own posts you'd see why.....


Neat toonz! Thanks!

Very neat.

 

[darkbeaver]

Oh look some beneficiaries

Dec 21 14:58

Israel to seek another 1b euros Holocaust in reparations from Germany



Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz will demand between 450 million to 1 billion euros in reparations from Germany on behalf of Jews forced into slave labor during the Holocaust, it emerged on Sunday

 

[Goober]

Oh look some beneficiaries

Dec 21 14:58

Israel to seek another 1b euros Holocaust in reparations from Germany



Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz will demand between 450 million to 1 billion euros in reparations from Germany on behalf of Jews forced into slave labor during the Holocaust, it emerged on Sunday

DB

Put a price on the extermination of a culture -

 

[darkbeaver]

DB

Put a price on the extermination of a culture -

First of all value rather than price needs to be considered. For instance the extermination of the Nazi culture was certainly considered a priceless treasure offering enduring value to the human race and as such was and still is prosecuted to the fullest. I ask you in all fairness are we to offer less effort to the crushing of the culture of the global Zionist super race which infests the whole of the western society with it's diseased ethic? I think not. Where the Nazi has gone it's finest students will soon follow or justice does not exist.

 

[einmensch]

Some points:

First of all, you should give credit where credit is due.......Demjamjuk was set free by who?????? The Israeli Supreme Court.....the Jews....in the nation you claim is built on, by the people you claim perpetuate, the "lie" of the Holocaust.....kinda makes your house of cards a little shakey, doesn't it?????

Demjanjuk was deported to Israel on February 28, 1986. [14] He was put on trial between November 26, 1986, and April 18, 1988, before a special tribunal comprising Supreme Court ...


On 22 September 1993, John Demjanjuk was finally released from an Israeli jail and allowed to return home to Cleveland, Ohio after an 18 year ordeal. It all started in 1975 Sadly, the OSI personnel of the U.S. Department of Justice, who conspired to have an innocent man hanged for crimes that he did not commit, have still not been brought to justice.

It was Demjanjuk supporters that proved that he was not the man identified by four eye witness Jews.

Was he compensated? So Israel released an innocent man-WOW just imagine


Secondly, I agree trying this guy after the Israelis set him free (because of "reasonable doubt" BTW, not because he is innocent..) I agree a retrial is unfair, and he should be set free.

Third, Demjamjuk's record of behaviour in the USA has nothing to do with his war time activities.......those involved in such state-organized genocide are often those most conventional in their behaviour, with great deference for the law and the power of the State....it is one reason they feel no remorse....if the State approves....it must be good, and they let their inhibitions fall away, exposing the murderous sociopaths they are.....Indeed, paradoxically, studies have shown that those who aided the Jews in occupied Europe can almost entirely be divided into two groups: the religious, who answer to a higher power, and the criminal element, who answer to no power at all.....
Your personal opinion

Fourth, on another subject, in one of your posts you use the statement of German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer that between a million and a million and a half Germans did not return from Allied POW camps as proof that Eisenhower engaged on a policy of extermination against them. Baloney. Well over a million German POWs died in the camps of the USSR..........included in Adenauer's estimate.......which brings us back to very small mortality rates in the camps run by the western powers.......

In October, 1951, the West German government stated in the United Nations that 1.1 million soldiers had not returned home. In other words, we were led to believe they had died in Soviet camps. If we subtract the proven number of deaths in Soviet camps from the missing in Germany we arrive at the figure of around 677,000. Where are these men?. They must have been interned by the western Allies, the greatest majority being held in American and French camps where they died in their thousands through deliberate starvation, disease and hard work.

 

[lone wolf]

You claim to have lived under Soviet domination until 1954 yet you place faith in their accounting practices. So be it. Manipulated statistics work both ways you know. Anyway, it sounds like you simply refuse to hear anything but your own stuff anyhow.

Hint: When you are hoping to break conflicting information into established and accepted truths, be water. Be ice. Have both time and patience enough to chip your way in. Your jackhammer approach will be rejected every time.