The Miracles of Christ
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Let's see. JC knowingly and willing went to the cross to be killed. Is that not the same thing as committing suicide? If you do it, wouldn't you end up in hell? God sacrificed his only son - isn't that murder?
So let me get this straight: Christians believe in suicide and murder as long as god does it but if they do it, they are doomed. Sounds reasonable to me.
So let me get this straight: Christians believe in suicide and murder as long as god does it but if they do it, they are doomed. Sounds reasonable to me.
It is more like Him stepping in front of a speeding bus to save your life just after you gave Him the finger.
Death allowed Jesus to claim those that had dies before He suffered the cross, it was God's will that those one be saved also.
The reason God can get away with murder is that He can undo it. Hard to be proved guilty of a murder when your star-witness is the supposed victim.
Your views are even more tangled than the RCC's.
So how many times do you have to state that before it can be considered ramming down somebodies throat? It's true with many subjects, those in the 'know' would oft-times be supporting a 'thought' more effectively if they just stayed quiet. Gathering/converting never was a duty charged to any Disciple. Deliver the Bible to them was the mission. There is nothing that says they should be zealous, it's more a take it or leave it and the results of those actions rest on the only person it matters to.
Lu:9:5:
And whosoever will not receive you,
when ye go out of that city,
shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.
I don't think a Christian even has to mention s what happens if they don't want to believe that Jesus rose from the dead. If they don't believe that part why on earth preach to them about anything at all? If His coming happens like a thief in the night for them that just serves as a sign that God is behind events. I doubt very much that Noah was given the mission to preach to the ones who were slated to die in a flood of water. The flood of fire is going to hit a certain amount of the total population, the Bible isn't going to un-harden a heart that God has hardened.
M'r:6:52:
For they considered not the miracle of the loaves:
for their heart was hardened.
There now see how much a waste of time that was for both of us. Perple are responsible for their own salvation.
Now there some good common sense! Well, I think it might have been "common" at one time - not sure today.
"Judge not others lest ye be judged." (I think that means the same thing you said, JML)
I was raised as a Christian (Protestant) and I remember my mother hammering into my head the fact that religion is a personal thing..."Don't you ever let me hear you insulting someone else's beliefs. It's none of your business. You believe what you want to believe, and let others do the same."
My father hammered the same message home, but his choice of words was quite a bit different and always used out of earshot of mother! I think I got it - "Mind your own business" was the message.
... and happily wandering around enjoying life instead of wasting it by fretting about the next life. Exactly my point. Thank you.
My guidebook says it is more like He died so we could be regathered after our punishment (death) has been inflicted on us. Removing the penality of death before sin is banished would almost seem to be more cruel that letting death remove us from an sinful world.
I was referring to punishment as being something more like being tortured before death and not actually death itself. Let me see, "You are a good and kind young person so I think I'll torture you for a while and then kill you". That's just great.
It looks more like these things made stuff and then went somewhere else to do other things and forgot about us. It sure doesn't seem much like love, anyway. But then we aren't supposed to know how gods work so there's always that tired old excuse but then we were made in their image so we and they should have the same attributes, including the same love, but most of us wouldn't harm those we care about. Yup, sure makes sense to me. :roll:
IMO, it's all enigmatic, anomalous, and cryptic unless I think that gods just don't give a damn and then everything just makes sense.
How important would something be to you that you would kill your only son and be happy that it was done. The 2nd verse is why Christ would willingly let death happen to Him.
Isa:53:10
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him;
he hath put [him] to grief:
when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin,
he shall see [his] seed,
he shall prolong [his] days,
and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
Pro:8:31
Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth;
and my delights [were] with the sons of men.
Did you always agree with the way your parents guided your path and have your own children always gladly accepte all your decisions concerning them?
Isa:53:10
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him;
he hath put [him] to grief:
when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin,
he shall see [his] seed,
he shall prolong [his] days,
and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
Pro:8:31
Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth;
and my delights [were] with the sons of men.
Did you always agree with the way your parents guided your path and have your own children always gladly accepte all your decisions concerning them?
Close, it was as close as He could come to killing Himself for the sins He committed in reclaiming what He considered as being His. God created death and hell so He could certainly have redeemed everybody He sent there. Christ gets a select few out, the vast majority of people will be called God's children. The odds of doing just that are very high once God is there to help them.
Re:21:7: He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Re:21:7: He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
I guess we are willing to mind our business ....except when someone puts it in our face then it is our business
Oh God, if there is a God.....save my soul, if I have a soul.
Does that mean I'm an Agnostic, or a Badnasty.
Does that mean I'm an Agnostic, or a Badnasty.
He made a way to pay for the sin, how is that not seeing something that would be an obstacle down the road? I'm quite sure you and every other parent would break a few laws to get a stolen child of yours back. Even if it means willingly paying for those crimes later, after the child is safely back where he belongs.
This was sent to me today. I like what it says:
The Final Analysis
People are often unreasonable, self-centred:
Forgive them anyway.
If you are honest, people may cheat you.
But be honest anyway.
What you spend years to build, someone could destroy overnight.
Build anyway.
The good you do today, people will often forget tomorrow.
Do good anyway.
You see, in the final analysis it is between you and God;
It never was between you and them anyway.
The Final Analysis
People are often unreasonable, self-centred:
Forgive them anyway.
If you are honest, people may cheat you.
But be honest anyway.
What you spend years to build, someone could destroy overnight.
Build anyway.
The good you do today, people will often forget tomorrow.
Do good anyway.
You see, in the final analysis it is between you and God;
It never was between you and them anyway.